Ohio Judge Lets Pregnant Teen Marry Without Consent After Bride Says Parents Would Force Abortion

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stanmaxkolbe said:
To posters 7 & 8 I just knew someone was going to post that.

Did you read the article?

From the article:
**She also denies pushing her daughter toward abortion. **

The parents’ rights were taken away before the judge talked to them, he believed a seventeen year old before talking to her parents—that’s just wrong.

Also I think there is more to this story than is being written here.

I will also add when I was seventeen my parents couldn’t force me to do anything I didn’t want to do.
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If there is any chance whatsoever that the girl was telling the truth he did the right thing
 
StTommyMore said:
Where is your evidence that the daughter was lying?
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Where is your evidence that the mother is lying?

The judge only heard from one side all I’m saying is hear from both sides why you people have a problem with that I don’t understand?
 
stanmaxkolbe said:
Where is your evidence that the mother is lying?

The judge only heard from one side all I’m saying is hear from both sides why you people have a problem with that I don’t understand?
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It is just that in Ohio, if the parent does not show up at hearings of this nature, it is the parent’s fault. The parent had an opportunity and decided not to show. What is so hard for you to see about that?
 
StTommyMore said:
It is just that in Ohio, if the parent does not show up at hearings of this nature, it is the parent’s fault. The parent had an opportunity and decided not to show. What is so hard for you to see about that?
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How could they have had an opportunity to show up? They found out AFTER the fact.

Stan is dead on in this one. The Judge had NO reason to not consult her parents whatsoever. The following article substantiates this with legal experts.

dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/10/23/underage-couple-win-permission-to-marry.html?sid=101

The Judge, by acting rashly and without procedural justice for ALL sides has taken a very young girl ( unless you think its good that a 17 year old get married while pregnant), from her parents home.

By just consulting with the parents, he could still have issued the exemption.
 
stanmaxkolbe said:
Also I think there is more to this story than is being written here.
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There is always more to the story, we never get the whole truth,
stanmaxkolbe said:
So you’re judging the mother that she’s a liar and has no say over her child’s life? That is unconscionable!
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Are you not doing the exact same thing to the 17 year old girl? Assuming (judging) that she is a liar?
 
canadianguy1143 said:
How could they have had an opportunity to show up? They found out AFTER the fact.

Stan is dead on in this one. The Judge had NO reason to not consult her parents whatsoever. The following article substantiates this with legal experts.

dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/10/23/underage-couple-win-permission-to-marry.html?sid=101

The Judge, by acting rashly and without procedural justice for ALL sides has taken a very young girl ( unless you think its good that a 17 year old get married while pregnant), from her parents home.

By just consulting with the parents, he could still have issued the exemption.
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I know what I am talking about, as Ia m actually from Ohio. In cases such at this, all parties are notified. It is the responsibility of the party to show up. if they do not appear, then they have waived their rights to be heard. I side with the judge.
 
StTommyMore said:
I know what I am talking about, as Ia m actually from Ohio. In cases such at this, all parties are notified. It is the responsibility of the party to show up. if they do not appear, then they have waived their rights to be heard. I side with the judge.
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  1. What are your legal credentials?
  2. Why is the legal experts in the article that I linked, never mention this fact and in fact fault the judge for not consulting with her parents?
 
ByzCath said:
There is always more to the story, we never get the whole truth,

Are you not doing the exact same thing to the 17 year old girl? Assuming (judging) that she is a liar?
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If I may speak for Stan, he isn’t saying she is lying. But that its good jurisprudence to consult all sides of an issue like this.
 
canadianguy1143 said:
  1. What are your legal credentials?
  2. Why is the legal experts in the article that I linked, never mention this fact and in fact fault the judge for not consulting with her parents?
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An “expert” in the media is someone who matches their bias
 
Take the baby entirely out of the equation. Two 17 year old kids, only a few months from becoming 18, go to the court to be married. Does the judge, by law, have to consult the parents before allowing them to marry? If he doesn’t, then I don’t see why having the baby in the picture makes this any different.

If Ohio has a law that allows minors to petition the court to marry before the age of 18 without parental consent, and the court is not required to contact the parents, then the judge did nothing wrong LEGALLY.

Do I like it - no. I agree that it does take away parental rights to some extent. However, I’m not ready to cry foul if the judge didn’t break any laws. Perhaps the moral thing to have done was consult the parents, but if he was not required to then he did not do anything wrong.

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If the laws are bad, change the laws. Don’t condemn a judge for doing his job if he did it correctly.

Personally I’m glad he did it - bring the baby back into the picture now, he could have saved the life of a child. Parents DO force abortions with all sorts of threat and guilt tactics. It does happen.

~Liza
 
canadianguy1143 said:
How could they have had an opportunity to show up? They found out AFTER the fact.

Stan is dead on in this one. The Judge had NO reason to not consult her parents whatsoever. The following article substantiates this with legal experts.

dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/10/23/underage-couple-win-permission-to-marry.html?sid=101

The Judge, by acting rashly and without procedural justice for ALL sides has taken a very young girl ( unless you think its good that a 17 year old get married while pregnant), from her parents home.

By just consulting with the parents, he could still have issued the exemption.
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Thank you someone with common sense. 👍
 
new_User1357246 said:
The parents’ rights weren’t taken away–the judge has the right to waive the consent and he did. Parents don’t have some intrinsic right to control their kids and keep them from getting married until they are 18. That is what the law says and the law provides for exceptions (a judge waiving the consent). So everyone’s legal rights were taken care of.
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Without hearing their side, a Franklin County judge stripped a Westerville couple of their parental rights this week by allowing their 17-year-old daughter to marry her boyfriend against their wishes.

"The judge stole my daughter," said Elizabeth “Lisa” Squeglia. "I’m outraged. I can’t even mother her. I can’t say ‘goodnight’ to her. I can’t hold her. I can’t hug her. I can’t give her any advice."
http://www.dispatch.com/live/conten...e-couple-win-permission-to-marry.html?sid=101
 
Kathyrn Mercer, a family-law expert at Case Western Reserve University’s law school, found it strange that Acker didn’t allow the girl’s parents to address allegations before issuing his decision.

She also questioned why the court wouldn’t refer the case to Children Services or Juvenile Court if Acker had thought that the girl was in danger.

Goldman said the probate judge “was brave and took a stand. … This situation doesn’t come up every day.”

He said that he and his wife are supporting the young couple, who are living with them, doing well in school and planning to attend college.

Daniel Squeglia said his wife has never hit or threatened their daughter, and said they didn’t want her to marry before she turns 18 in January.

His wife said she never pushed her daughter toward an abortion and recently saw a priest for guidance. The Rev. Michael Watson, of St. Andrew Church in Upper Arlington, confirmed that Mrs. Squeglia phoned Wednesday, worried that her daughter had married so young and asking for help. He said he recommended a woman’s care center "that preserves life."
"I could just see the road this girl is going to take," the priest said. "It seems like something is totally messed up in this process."

http://www.dispatch.com/live/conten...e-couple-win-permission-to-marry.html?sid=101
 
stanmaxkolbe said:
Kathyrn Mercer, a family-law expert at Case Western Reserve University’s law school, found it strange that Acker didn’t allow the girl’s parents to address allegations before issuing his decision.

She also questioned why the court wouldn’t refer the case to Children Services or Juvenile Court if Acker had thought that the girl was in danger.

Goldman said the probate judge “was brave and took a stand. … This situation doesn’t come up every day.”

He said that he and his wife are supporting the young couple, who are living with them, doing well in school and planning to attend college.

Daniel Squeglia said his wife has never hit or threatened their daughter, and said they didn’t want her to marry before she turns 18 in January.

His wife said she never pushed her daughter toward an abortion and recently saw a priest for guidance. The Rev. Michael Watson, of St. Andrew Church in Upper Arlington, confirmed that Mrs. Squeglia phoned Wednesday, worried that her daughter had married so young and asking for help. He said he recommended a woman’s care center "that preserves life."
"I could just see the road this girl is going to take," the priest said. "It seems like something is totally messed up in this process."

http://www.dispatch.com/live/conten...e-couple-win-permission-to-marry.html?sid=101
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That is really sad. I feel for the parents. If the 17 year old is mature enough to get married and raise the child then I dont feel she would have been easy to force to do anything by her parents.
 
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