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canadianguy1143
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It should also be noted that the parents are Catholics because in the article it made reference to this:
Ohio Judge Lets Pregnant Teen Marry Without Consent After Bride Says Parents Would Force Abortion
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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You haven’t.
I thank canadianguy for pointing that out and I apologize to you for the slight.
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St_Francis
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Ohio law allows an underage teen to get an abortion through the court, bypassing parental permission. And apparently Ohio law also allows teens to do the same wrt marriage.
It is good that in this case, the court was used for the purpose of marriage rather than to get an abortion.
It is bad that the courts can bypass the parents at all.
I too imagine that there is a lot more to the story; however, the girl turns 18 in January. Why they didn’t wait until then, I don’t know, it seems crazy.
It is good that in this case, the court was used for the purpose of marriage rather than to get an abortion.
It is bad that the courts can bypass the parents at all.
I too imagine that there is a lot more to the story; however, the girl turns 18 in January. Why they didn’t wait until then, I don’t know, it seems crazy.
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canadianguy1143
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Let me just clarify or restate what I believe in this case.
I have no idea who to believe. The girl may be telling the truth about her parents pressuring her to have an abortion or the parents may not be pressuring her at all. I don’t think any of us knows for sure unless someone here knows the girl in question.
However what we do know and can comment on, is that a Judge should be impartial in this dealing. When you have a court case like this, you are going to have each side present strong compelling reasons why they should win. In this case, the judge never sought out her parents. Any one side can make a strong case but to make it a BALANCED decision, the girl’s parents needed to be consulted.
A judge is like a parent in a way. If 2 kids are having a dispute and the parents only hear one side and not the other, then how can one be sure that the decision is the right one?
As for the abortion issue, yes abortion must be prevented at all costs. However, it maybe possible that the “threat” of abortion was never there and if that is the case, then what the judge did is allow 2 very young and immature people enter into a contract that can harm all three of them. Not to mention this is another attempt to deny parental rights.
A few years ago here in my country, a judge from Quebec did a similar thing. A divorced father who had full custody of his 12 year old daughter, found out she posted inappropriate photos of herself on an adult dating website. He grounded her for her junior high prom dance. She throws a hissy fit and goes to her Mom’s place. Next thing, he appears before a judge and the judge said that the Father’s grounding was too severe and permitted her to attend the dance.
I have no idea who to believe. The girl may be telling the truth about her parents pressuring her to have an abortion or the parents may not be pressuring her at all. I don’t think any of us knows for sure unless someone here knows the girl in question.
However what we do know and can comment on, is that a Judge should be impartial in this dealing. When you have a court case like this, you are going to have each side present strong compelling reasons why they should win. In this case, the judge never sought out her parents. Any one side can make a strong case but to make it a BALANCED decision, the girl’s parents needed to be consulted.
A judge is like a parent in a way. If 2 kids are having a dispute and the parents only hear one side and not the other, then how can one be sure that the decision is the right one?
As for the abortion issue, yes abortion must be prevented at all costs. However, it maybe possible that the “threat” of abortion was never there and if that is the case, then what the judge did is allow 2 very young and immature people enter into a contract that can harm all three of them. Not to mention this is another attempt to deny parental rights.
A few years ago here in my country, a judge from Quebec did a similar thing. A divorced father who had full custody of his 12 year old daughter, found out she posted inappropriate photos of herself on an adult dating website. He grounded her for her junior high prom dance. She throws a hissy fit and goes to her Mom’s place. Next thing, he appears before a judge and the judge said that the Father’s grounding was too severe and permitted her to attend the dance.
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stanmaxkolbe
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You are SPOT ON!
That’s what’s been my problem with this entire story as I posted in post# 2 why didn’t the judge talk to her parents before making the decision?
Then I was shocked when people on these boards started posting well he save a life or stopped an abortion—NO THAT”S NOT WHAT HAPPENED HERE!
The judge took the word of a seventeen year old girl and baby daddy’s father who happens to be a lawyer without consulting her parents. That is just wrong!
What’s more shocking to me is my fellow Catholics that cannot understand this?
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StTommyMore
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All I see is a mistrust of lawyers and an assumption that the teens can’t possibly be telling the truth.You are SPOT ON!
That’s what’s been my problem with this entire story as I posted in post# 2 why didn’t the judge talk to her parents before making the decision?
Then I was shocked when people on these boards started posting well he save a life or stopped an abortion—NO THAT”S NOT WHAT HAPPENED HERE!
The judge took the word of a seventeen year old girl and baby daddy’s father who happens to be a lawyer without consulting her parents. That is just wrong!
What’s more shocking to me is my fellow Catholics that cannot understand this?
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St_Francis
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I really don’t understand various aspects of this case because in just 2 or 3 months, the girl will be old enough to marry without her parents’ permission. I don’t understand why this was hurried through.You are SPOT ON!
That’s what’s been my problem with this entire story as I posted in post# 2 why didn’t the judge talk to her parents before making the decision?
Then I was shocked when people on these boards started posting well he save a life or stopped an abortion—NO THAT”S NOT WHAT HAPPENED HERE!
The judge took the word of a seventeen year old girl and baby daddy’s father who happens to be a lawyer without consulting her parents. That is just wrong!
What’s more shocking to me is my fellow Catholics that cannot understand this?
But for those expressing OUTRAGE about this, consider that an underage child or any age can get permission in Ohio by applying to Juvenile Court to have an abortion, bypassing the parents for that.
You are shouting and otherwise expressing a lot of anger because a judge bypassed the girl’s parents 3 months before her 18th birthday to get married.
What about a 13-year-old whose teacher or school nurse helps her bypass her parents by going to court to get an abortion?
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stanmaxkolbe
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First the13 year old I don’t have a clue what your talking about and has nothing to do with this case.
Second I’m shocked that some Catholics on these boards don’t think the judge is wrong for leaving the girls parents out of the decision—the judge is clearly wrong in this.
Some people were reading into the OP and had no facts—If I ever get into trouble and have a jury trial I hope none of these people are on the jury because I’m already guilty.
As Joe Friday said, “Just the facts.”
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St_Francis
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What I am saying is that in most states with parental consent laws wrt abortion, the daughter can get an abortion without her parents’ even knowing about it by going to court. This is true in Ohio as well as a number of other states. There is no age limit that I could find in Ohio.
Yes, I think that any hearing regarding children should have the parents notified, but I am not as outraged by a judge ruling that a girl three months away from her 18th birthday can get married as I am by the idea that enshrined in law is the fact that a judge can rule that a girl *of any age *can get an abortion without her parents’ consent.
At least in this case the descion was for life and marriage rather than the killing of an unborn child.
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jilly4ski
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I guess what we have to remember is that a parent’s absolute control over their child (ie parental rights) and duty to support their child until age 18 is a legal concept and not necessarily a Christian/Catholic principle. The age of 18 is an arbitrary age that the law decided that a minor becomes an adult and parents no longer have a duty to provide for their children. Depending on ones culture this could be much younger or older. 
Therefore the law provided that a parent has an absolute duty to provide for their child and this gives the parents certain powers over their child (like rights to wages, right to keep child in their home, etc.). Thus if the law puts exceptions in this duty and power then it can’t be taking away parental rights unjustly, when a judge uses the legislative exception.
Therefore the law provided that a parent has an absolute duty to provide for their child and this gives the parents certain powers over their child (like rights to wages, right to keep child in their home, etc.). Thus if the law puts exceptions in this duty and power then it can’t be taking away parental rights unjustly, when a judge uses the legislative exception.
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Romanova
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I don’t know whose side of the story is true in this case, but I will say – Ohio law allows for ex-parte emergency hearings when a teen girl wants an abortion but does not want her parents to be notified. That procedure (which the parents, by its very nature, don’t find out about) allows a judicial waiver of parental notification of abortion. This is sort of the flip side of that… Teen says she doesn’t want an abortion and seeks judicial waiver of her parents’ consent to marriage.
(Now why the judge waived the premarital counseling requirement, that I have no idea. It certainly might seem prudent for such a young couple to have counseling.)
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stanmaxkolbe
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I also am not outraged! I was accused of being outraged by another poster; this is from my post#2 I just ask a question:
“Why didn’t the judge talk to the parents of the girl?”
Other posters read into the OP facts that were not there; I was shocked not outraged that some of my fellow Catholic brethren did not have a problem with the judge’s decision.
You have two seventeen year old kids and the boyfriends father is a lawyer the parents of the girlfriend was not notified—I see a problem here.
But I guess I shouldn’t be shocked about this since over 50% of cATHOLICS in the United States vote for pro-abortion politicians.
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