Ohio Voters Reject Public-Union Curbs

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It’s a perfect example of democracy (mob rule) in action indeed. Two men and one woman vote 2-1 to make the woman a sexual play toy! :eek: Rob
Yup, Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on what to have for lunch.
 
Yup, Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on what to have for lunch.
You left out the part where democracy actually works; you know, the part where the wolves and the lamb lie down together to dine on hay.
 
You left out the part where democracy actually works; you know, the part where the wolves and the lamb lie down together to dine on hay.
We'll be eating all those lambs and wolves who come together in peaceful harmony. :( Rob
 
Ya, show me a wolf that dines on hay. :rolleyes:
Scott, I'm sure that those Ohio chumps who believe that the beleaguered elitists in the taxpayer sector can be nourished endlessly by an empty private trough will be foolish enough to feed hay to fence-less wolves one day. :o Rob
 
I live in Ohio. I think most people missed the point of the intent of SB 5 (i.e., Issue Two) which went down to a resounding defeat. IMHO, economics has VERY little to do with the bill. Economics was the alleged reasoning to enact the bill. The real reason was to break the unions, who, as you can see, are very good at organizing when they are motivated.

If SB 5 had been enacted, the unions in Ohio would have lost their clout. This would have enormous implications for the 2012 presidential election. With the defeat of Issue Two, there are (other) enormous implications for the 2012 presidential elections.

I could be wrong, but time will tell on this.
 
Good.👍 I am one of those whose families would never have come this far were it not for the power of collective bargaining. While the power of unions must definitely have some counterbalancing forces, there is about as much justification for taking away the right to collective bargaining as there is for taking away the right of businesses to make a fair profit. What is it about balanced approaches (as opposed to extremes) that seem so hard for politicians to grasp?
Yes, this is great news. It’s nice to get some good news on the political front every now and again. A victory for workers for sure!
 
Why not negotiate that 25-30% downwards? Why not get behind efforts to rein in health care costs? Why would the only solution be for the other guys to pay as much as you do? And how does the total package (pay and benefits) compare between you and them?
If you voted for Obamacare, you actually voted to increase health care costs…which is why the Obama administration has issued over 2000 waivers so far to various businesses and unions
I’m not very good at math but see no reason why our economic problems have to be solved by reducing working people down to the same common denominator. That would be like fixing the amount of profit all companies in the country would be allowed to make…distinctly un-American.
Unfortunately, math is very important to the discussion. While I’m not sure about Ohio, from a national perspective, you can’t raise taxes enough on “the rich” to solve the spending problems our country has.

Ohio voters have spoken. But I hope you don’t expect at some point in the future for citizens of other states to bail out Ohio when it can’t pay the bills.

But in the end it is interesting to see that you apparently support other people working harder for their retirement in order to finance public employees retirements, which in many cases are much better than their private sector counterparts.
 
So…er…money is being taken from your paycheck to pay public workers sort of like businesses are ‘taking’ from your checking account or debit card? I mean, in both cases you are *paying for a product *are you not? Unless Ohio public servants get to just kick back at home 24/7 watching TV or something…?
No. This analogy is not accurate.

I pay for products by CHOICE. I don’t have to buy a good or service from a particular company.
Taxes are paid NOT by choice…If I don’t pay, the government, under the point of a gun will throw me in jail, and forcibly take my belongings.

I hope you can see the difference…
 
As they spoke on Obamacare.
Shhh!
You weren’t supposed to notice that Obamacare was rejected by a larger margin!

Obviously, the Issue 2 vote represents “the voice of the people”, while the Issue 3 vote represents “corporate interest interfering with our democracy”. 👍

I hope Ohio enjoys their position as “the next Greece”, and continues to lose jobs to right to work states.
 
Yes, this is great news. It’s nice to get some good news on the political front every now and again. A victory for workers for sure!
Victory for the workers, defeat for the taxpayers…again.
 
Shhh!
You weren’t supposed to notice that Obamacare was rejected by a larger margin!

Obviously, the Issue 2 vote represents “the voice of the people”, while the Issue 3 vote represents “corporate interest interfering with our democracy”. 👍

I hope Ohio enjoys their position as “the next Greece”, and continues to lose jobs to right to work states.
They are all welcome here in Virginia. We have a growing economy, right-to-work laws, improving transportation infrastructure, and as of last night, a completely conservative government.
 
They are all welcome here in Virginia. We have a growing economy, right-to-work laws, improving transportation infrastructure, and as of last night, a completely conservative government.
unless, of course, the NLRB prevents businesses from relocation to Virginia, much like they are doing to South Carolina.
 
No. This analogy is not accurate.

I pay for products by CHOICE. I don’t have to buy a good or service from a particular company.
Taxes are paid NOT by choice…If I don’t pay, the government, under the point of a gun will throw me in jail, and forcibly take my belongings.

I hope you can see the difference…
The only difference I see is that in one case you mind paying for products/services (you don’t chide your banks for forcing you to honor the checks) but in another case you do. My suggestion? Lobby politicians to dispense with the services you’d rather not have - don’t complain about being forced to pay for them once they’re delivered.
 
Shhh!
You weren’t supposed to notice that Obamacare was rejected by a larger margin!

Obviously, the Issue 2 vote represents “the voice of the people”, while the Issue 3 vote represents “corporate interest interfering with our democracy”. 👍

I hope Ohio enjoys their position as “the next Greece”, and continues to lose jobs to right to work states.
Again, democracy at work. Ohioans seem to be saying that they will decide matters based on the issues and not on blind allegiance to an ideology. Kudos to them.
 
AMEN to that!!
That thinking is so wrongheaded. It's downright scary that the only fat cats whom you don't fear are the ones who have the power to take our wealth and freedom away from us, those in the government. Bill Gates can't force a nickel out of my pocket. When your kids ask one day what happened to our wonderful country, you might want to say that you drained every ounce of gold from the golden goose, and that you voted for the guys who could always offer you one more "free" dollar or service. :doh2: Rob
 
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