OK, I Am Confused. Do Mormons Believe In The Trinity?

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Mormons do not choose a celibate life. Of course, life sometimes sends a person on that path. But they don’t choose it as St. Paul taught.

They somehow manage to say it means marriage continues in heaven. They believe Jesus was not giving a straight answer. (Sort of like a Mormon! 😃 )
Yeah, but which of the 7 would she be married to? Or would she be married to all 7?:confused:
 
The fact an apostasy had happened in several accounts before is pretty historical. If that isn’t, what is?
The fact that there were apostasies that rose is fact. That the whole church went into apostasy is not. Apostolic succession was was one of the first things established by Peter and the apostle’s after the Resurrection. We read in Act that Peter said we must chose one from among the followers to replace Judas. and they chose 2 and cast lots to decide which it would be. Thus as the faith spread and the need for more Apostolic oversight was needed they chose others ( those that became known as Bishops). And thus the faith grew and spread. as heresy / apostasy came about the Bishops dealt with them if need be by calling together a council.

Now I know to the Mormon way of thinking this makes no since, but that 1800 years later a con man walking around the hills of New York being told by an angel that all of Christianity is wrong gives him at least one book written in a language that has never been written anywhere else in the world about a people that no one in all of history as ever heard of living in cities that have left no ruins. I can keep going but yeah that all makes since
 
Yeah, but which of the 7 would she be married to? Or would she be married to all 7?:confused:
I’m guessing they would say whichever one made it to their celestial kingdom. If more than one, I guess she would be assigned, or maybe pick one. If she didn’t make it to their celestial kingdom, then I guess whichever of the brothers did make it would get assigned women to them.

There are a thousand questions like this. Families are crazy messy affairs. Mormons hone it down to a mythical one husband, one (or more) wives, who are all perfect and make it to heaven together. That is their selling message.

I think the mormons make the same mistake the people did who were talking to Jesus. They imagine heaven is just like earth. They compare God the Father to mortal men, all the time. God the Father is just like your biological father, and also just like your husband, in an idyllic sense. So yeah, it is an earthly religion.
 
I’m guessing they would say whichever one made it to their celestial kingdom. If more than one, I guess she would be assigned, or maybe pick one. If she didn’t make it to their celestial kingdom, then I guess whichever of the brothers did make it would get assigned women to them.

There are a thousand questions like this. Families are crazy messy affairs. Mormons hone it down to a mythical one husband, one (or more) wives, who are all perfect and make it to heaven together. That is their selling message.

I think the mormons make the same mistake the people did who were talking to Jesus. They imagine heaven is just like earth. They compare God the Father to mortal men, all the time. God the Father is just like your biological father, and also just like your husband, in an idyllic sense. So yeah, it is an earthly religion.
I’ll stick with Catholicism!🙂 It makes more sense to me.
 
Well, I had five. I found that actually being pregnant and giving birth was nothing at all to the ‘raising them right.’ part.

What I would like to know is this:where in the world did this weird idea that women would be eternally pregnant come from?

Not us. (shrug) Not that it would make any difference to those who want this to be a ‘true’ doctrine…people do love the ‘argument from spite’ fallacy.
perhaps it comes from D&C 132 and the teachings of what that section means from various LDS leaders.
 
I thought there was something about spirit children in your dogma. Where do they come from? Why would you be married in heaven if you didn’t have children? What would be the point?
Good questions.

Now just follow me a moment here; lots of assumptions going on.

First, assume that our critics are correct and that we will become creators of our own worlds/universes/whatever and produce lots of spirit babies. The charge that Mormon women will be eternally pregnant rather depends on that premise, after all.

Second, assume that our doctrine is that God has a physical body, and if we become like Him we TOO will have physical bodies. You know, 'flesh and bone," touchable, incorruptible bodies like the ones we have now; tangible. Real. (That is, by the way, doctrine for us.)

Third, assume that if we are to become like God…BE Gods, that is, that we will actually be as He is; creating and making. Now we believe that He created us as spirits…that our physical bodies are formed in mortality by the combining of male and female DNA, by growing in a mortal womb, being born and growing to adulthood in mortality.

THINK about this a minute. Just for a single, solitary precious moment…a mortal pregnant woman is going to give birth to another mortal person; real. Wouldn’t a resurrected woman with a perfect eternal body give birth to another being who is just as perfect, with that same body? How would that work if the offspring are SPIRITS?

God created SPIRITS. Yet you don’t consider that HE is ‘eternally pregnant,’ do you? You don’t consider that His creation of mankind is somehow demeaning, or 'bad for the woman.?" When HE (the male) creates all those spirits…mankind…the creation is admirable, worshipful…something to be celebrated. It’s only when you think women might share in it that it becomes a demeaning thing to do.

IF everything critics base their idea that Mormon women will be ‘eternally pregnant’ on is an actual belief of ours, then it is utterly asinine to figure that women will be eternally carrying spirit babies around in resurrected wombs. It is ludicrous. What WOULD happen, even if everything that the critics claim to be true IS true, is that Mormon women will share in the power of creation—something that is considered wonderful indeed when you think about a Male God doing it, but somehow becomes demeaning and ‘lesser’ when a woman does.

This attitude says volumes–but not about the sexism of the MORMONS. it is very clear, though, just how sexist, demeaning and ignorant those who view us are.

Creation–why IS it considered wonderful and something to be celebrated when a MAN does it, but is something distasteful and demeaning when a woman does?

There was a time when ‘secretary’ meant 'assistant…" a secretary was the guy being groomed to become the boss. It was considered to be an honorable, well paid job–a rather high rung on the employment ladder.

Ah, but then they invented the typewriter, and women were hired to be secretaries, and suddenly the job became "just a secretary.’ It became a dead end, demeaning, low paid job where a woman was subject to all sorts of demands. Why? Not because the JOB changed, but because a woman was doing it.

What you are talking about is the same thing. When God creates, you think it is a marvelous and glorious thing; awesome…but as soon as you think that a woman is going to be doing it? Suddenly it is a demeaning thing. “Good for the man, bad for the woman.”

Gaaaahhhhh…just once it would be nice if those who criticize us would actually follow the logic of their own knee jerk accusations and see where they go.

Eternally pregnant women. Great googly moogly.
 
Catholics believe that God has no gender.

If you believe that you have a co-creator goddess, why don’t you worship this goddess?
 
Catholics believe that God has no gender.

If you believe that you have a co-creator goddess, why don’t you worship this goddess?
LOL 😃

I would rather be with God in heaven than quibble whether or not I will be with my family. It is not ours to know, although we can speculate on it. 😉 It just isn’t key to our salvation.
 
I have also heard many people say that “a heaven without my family is no heaven at all.” I would absolutely agree. Why would God focus so much attention on fidelity, chastity, sexual purity, and pure love if it will all end when we are dead.

Look into your heart as deeply as you can and tell me that you don’t “want” your family to be together forever, especially if they can all “make it” to heaven. Could you imagine your family with perfect resurrected bodies without sin and living with God? Is this not a righteous desire that comes from God?
Just because people aren’t married in Heaven, it dosn’t mean that my family won’t be there. Actually, I’M COUNTING ON IT!!! And I’m also sure that St. Therese is counting on her family being there too. She was very, very close to both her parents and and her siblings. She loved (and I’m sure still does) love her family very, very much as does most Catholics. I think family is one of those all important areas that both Catholics and Latter Day Saints have in common. 👍
 
I am very glad to see that you recognize the fallacious nature of ‘ad populum.’ The number of people who belong to a belief system has nothing at all to do with it’s truthfulness. I have no problem stipulating to that.

Of course, the fact that you apply it very selectively is also noted, as is the fact that you feel quite comfortable with using equally fallacious arguments to support the idea that Catholicism is true; appeal to authority (that science somehow proves Catholicism to be true…and that ‘reason’ whose reason? WHAT reason?]) and appeal to tradition (that the number of years that Catholicism has been around proves it to be true).

Now when you can identify fallacious arguments when you use them, you will be way ahead of the game here.
2+2=4. I will now appeal to authority and claim all mathematicians believe it to be a fact. I will now appeal to tradition and claim we have always believed it to be a fact. I will now appeal to the people (argumentum ad populum) and claim everyone I know believes this to be a fact. Because I appealed to the people, authority, and tradition it is clear by your reasoning; it is not a fact.

You are amazing.
 
…using equally fallacious arguments to support the idea that Catholicism is true; … appeal to tradition (that the number of years that Catholicism has been around proves it to be true).
Please reread post #348. Read it over and over until you truly understand it. You are starting to appear as an anti-catholic lunatic.
 
Yeah nice red herring Diana, playing the “sexism” card. After that diatribe, why DON’T you worship “heavenly mother”???
 
…Oh and to continue, why DO you depend on a man to pull you through the veil and why IS it ok for a man to have another wife in CK???

Sounds like something much worse than “googley moogley” to me! More like a rabid teenage boy fantasy—well, Jsmith WAS 14 when he had his first “vision”–although there are several different accounts of that too.

sigh…
 
2+2=4. I will now appeal to authority and claim all mathematicians believe it to be a fact. I will now appeal to tradition and claim we have always believed it to be a fact. I will now appeal to the people (argumentum ad populum) and claim everyone I know believes this to be a fact. Because I appealed to the people, authority, and tradition it is clear by your reasoning; it is not a fact.

You are amazing.
To Stephen and Rebecca,
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  Do you find enjoyment on knocking on our religion? You sure do do a bunch of it.  No matter what us active mormons say, there is always a rebuttal of how our belief system is wrong!  WE GET IT.. YOU BELIEVE THE MORMONS ARE WRONG.. Your point is proven. I wish I could count the time you spend on the computer just on the Mormon sections.  When was the last time you posted a comment on something non-Mormon related? (honest question)  As I was looking on your public profile I was looking for a post that it not Mormon related, and the last time for Stephen(that I could find) was a year ago!! There has to be something better you can do with your time than this, or not?  Rebecca, I don't know the exact date, but it was quite awhile for you too.  My point, we enjoy having ppl like you and it is okay to disagree, but some ppl find it offensive to bash our beliefs to the extremes you guys do.  Accept them and us for what we are.
-They say the ones that have fallen are the ones that fall the hardest.
 
To Stephen and Rebecca,
Code:
  Do you find enjoyment on knocking on our religion? You sure do do a bunch of it.  No matter what us active mormons say, there is always a rebuttal of how our belief system is wrong!  WE GET IT.. YOU BELIEVE THE MORMONS ARE WRONG.. Your point is proven. I wish I could count the time you spend on the computer just on the Mormon sections.  When was the last time you posted a comment on something non-Mormon related? (honest question)  As I was looking on your public profile I was looking for a post that it not Mormon related, and the last time for Stephen(that I could find) was a year ago!! There has to be something better you can do with your time than this, or not?  Rebecca, I don't know the exact date, but it was quite awhile for you too.  My point, we enjoy having ppl like you and it is okay to disagree, but some ppl find it offensive to bash our beliefs to the extremes you guys do.  Accept them and us for what we are.
-They say the ones that have fallen are the ones that fall the hardest.
Would you like to know what I had for dinner? creepy stalker person
 
To Stephen and Rebecca,
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  Do you find enjoyment on knocking on our religion?
I’ve never been Mormon, so I don’t know a lot about your beliefs. I have learned a lot on this forum. I went to Boy Scout meetings at a Mormon Church for four years, so I spent some time talking with Mormons as a kid. What I enjoy knocking are Mormon’s made up history and Mormon reasoning. I believe they are lacking in both. Mormonism was made up by Joseph Smith in the 19th century in America. You can wish you had a history that goes back to Christ like the Catholic Church, but you don’t. You might wish the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham are true but science is against you. You might wish you are the only ‘good works’ organization but you are not. You might wish you are the premier pro-family religion in America but you are lacking. The Mormon Church seems to contain an OK bunch of folks but they are not the true Church of Christ.
My point, we enjoy having ppl like you and it is okay to disagree, but some ppl find it offensive to bash our beliefs to the extremes you guys do. .
I would submit this as an example of Mormon irrational thought.

For your notebook you can put me down for a Spaghetti dinner before my Parish Finance Council meeting, which went pretty smooth.
 
So marriage is really important to Mormons I guess. Although I’ve know some who have been divorced. It does seem to be a very earthy religion. In Catholicism, celibacy often brings people closer to God and makes them more spiritual, because they can devote most of their attention to Him, without the worldly things getting in their way.

I wonder what the Mormon answer is to question of the woman in the Bible who had 7 husbands who died. Who, according to them, would she be married to in heaven?
Christine,
The answer to your last question here is already given in the text of the scripture. The six would be marrying the woman to “raise up seed” unto the brother who died first, who would have the eternal marriage relationship with the woman. Any children would be sealed to the marriage between that brother and the woman.

What I don’t get is why you think marriage is “earthy”? This is strange to me. I consider marriage to be as heavenly a relationship on earth as there can be, with the sharing and uniting of hearts and emotional intimacy (not the physical relationship–the spiritual, mental and emotional sharing). Are you saying Catholics you know don’t have that? If not, that is very sad.
 
Is there a biblical account of the continued succession?
No, of course not.

The early Church obviously didn’t have a problem with that reality, and to my knowledge, no Christian denominations currently do either.

I may not be understanding your question, feel free to clarify/expand if needed. Thanks.
 
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