I think you summed it up when you said , “How perfectly ridiculous of them”…all they are doing is making people see the idiocy of it…especially doing it in the Bible belt!I heard about this and was truly shocked. If it were San Francisco or NYC I’d see it happening, but Oklahoma is the middle of the bible belt. I was born and grew up in Ponca City, Oklahoma–and I’d say if the Satanists get in and out of there alive that they better hire extra security. How perfectly ridiculous of them. I think they are just trying to shock people–and they have.
I can understand through reading your entries on this thread and even by encountering your posts previously throughout the forum that your intentions are not meant to offend here. Your insights are coming from an intelligent curiosity but also highlight a lack of understanding. That is not something you can be blamed for.So now, reread what I wrote. I am asking how a mere human can harm an omnipotent being with a magic ritual. I’m not asking if it hurts your feelings, I want to know how it harms Jesus.
In addition to Ophelia’s great explanation, I would like to add that man, who is made to adore and worship God his Creator, who has been given the gift of faith and places his King first in his life, is unable to allow desecration of that which is his very Source of life and being. It goes to the very soul of a person who recognizes the Sacred and because of sanctifying grace will fight evil with all his might. God, the Supreme Being only gives as much power to Satan as His will determines, and yet, if we were not to fight this, in a *certain *sense of the word, we would be complicit in such evil. There is a reason Christians on earth are called soldiers and the Church Militant.I am asking how a mere human can harm an omnipotent being with a magic ritual. I’m not asking if it hurts your feelings, I want to know how it harms Jesus.
So, you believe them (Satanists) that it is consecrated host? Couldn’t just be propaganda?A black mass cannot take place without a consecrated host, they have already stated that they will be using a consecrated host. The host can only be consecrated by a properly ordained Catholic priest (or an Orthodox Church priest). This host must therefore have originated from the Catholic Church (or Orthodox Church) and as clearly we do not sell hosts and even to the Catholic faithful the host must be consumed when it is given and it is not the property of the person receiving it, the host must have been stolen.
If it is a consecrated host that is being used, then it must have been illicitly taken from the Catholic Church (or Orthodox Church). Of course proving exactly where the host was taken from would be practically impossible, but the fact that it is a consecrated host means it has been illicitly taken.
Well it could be a false claim, but if it was then what was happening wouldn’t be a true black mass. However hosts are taken from Catholic churches. Sadly it does happen. So the possibility that the host they plan to use is consecrated is not a remote possibility at all.So, you believe them (Satanists) that it is consecrated host? Couldn’t just be propaganda?
So what do you mean by “real satanists”? What, in your mind, is a ‘real satanist’?. Even real satanists don’t have time for this foolishness.
And to me, i don’t care how much publicity it gets. if 1 person attends or 1000 people attend, it is just as upsetting.I have been saying that making a big protest about it only fuels the fire and gives the event publicity.
Nobody said that it would harm the church.When I said that, the respondents claimed that allowing the Black Mass would harm the church.
God can stop it. He also could have stopped Jesus from being crucified. But he didn’t.I think I understand well enough what’s supposed to be happening at consecration. What I’m not understanding is how the most powerful entity imaginable can be limited in any way, i.e. cannot choose to allow the host to become mere bread again or cannot choose to be transubstantiated in one host, but not another. One might say that, for one reason or another, Jesus permits the desecration to occur, but I cannot see how one could say that Jesus is powerless to stop it – which is what your explanation seems to imply.
Look I would not be wasting my time on some idiotic group trying to gain attention from the media and from the church just for the heck of it.So what do you mean by “real satanists”? What, in your mind, is a ‘real satanist’?
I don’t htink you quite realize what a Black Mass is. You are marginalizing these people and that is dangerous. Society didn’t get the way it is overnight.Look I would not be wasting my time on some idiotic group trying to gain attention from the media and from the church just for the heck of it.
And it is not saying that I don’t think real evil doesn’t exist. People carry out “black magic” everyday and play with ouija boards etc, away from the eyes of the media, I just think My God is way bigger than all those things.
Even today there is much greater evil going on in the world, that God is more concerned about. Did you actually read the news today? or yesterday? This has really been one awful summer for a lot of people.
I can barely get up the energy to care for a few selfish people who just looked up from their D&D game long enough to be able to sell 14 tickets for a march. You may even outnumber them at the boycott.
Of course we should marginalize them, just like we do with Westboro Baptist Church. The groups I worry about are those that are this minute as I am typing hurting Christians (and other religious groups) all over the world. “Hurting” is an understatement, beheading and crucifying etc…to me that is true evil.I don’t htink you quite realize what a Black Mass is. You are marginalizing these people and that is dangerous. Society didn’t get the way it is overnight.
I’m quite surprised that a Christian, let alone a Catholic, wants to be so Laissez-faire about people doing evil things with the body of Christ.
I fail to see in the article where they said they are not using a conscecrated host.Of course we should marginalize them, just like we do with Westboro Baptist Church. The groups I worry about are those that are this minute as I am typing hurting Christians (and other religious groups) all over the world. “Hurting” is an understatement, beheading and crucifying etc…to me that is true evil.
A group that says that they will take out parts of the black mass like nudity and public urination just so the public can view it is clearly trolling the catholic church. And now they are backing down from their claims that they have a consecrated host, c’mon please. If they are trying to get people to come see this spectacle by trolling them, I will not be a part of it.
breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/10/Oklahoma-Archbishop-Asks-Texas-Catholics-to-Help-Counteract-Black-Mass
So there will be 14-20 people in a theatre and a much bigger group protesting outside. If it was up to me they would come outside and see not a soul. I will pray at home for the souls of those young ones who are being misled but I am not sure giving them something they can post on their facebook page or twitter page is very helpful.
Sorry, my mistake that was the harvard black mass organizers who backed away from the claim. The OK organizer said his was mailed to himI fail to see in the article where they said they are not using a conscecrated host.
Just b/c greater evil exists int he world doesn’t mean we should permit lesser evil to work.
I see nothing wrong with trying to stop this legally and having a peaceful prayerful protest.
Satan doesn’t have the power to take the lord’s place in the host and that is not the point of the black mass. The point is for the worshippers of Satan to descecrate the consecrated host. I don’t htink your statement is very accurate.If what I’ve read about Satan fleeing from ordinary sacramentals like holy water is true, then I would think that a consecrated host would be the last thing that Satanists would use in their rituals.
I wasn’t implying that Satan could take Jesus’s place in the host.Satan doesn’t have the power to take the lord’s place in the host and that is not the point of the black mass. The point is for the worshippers of Satan to descecrate the consecrated host. I don’t htink your statement is very accurate.
No need for sarcasm. Yes, I do read the news and am aware of what is going on in the world.Did you actually read the news today? or yesterday? This has really been one awful summer for a lot of people.