One of the men who threw the Idols (Pachamama) in the Tiber speaks!

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That sounds very relative. The Pope says it weren’t idols, why should I not believe him? Why would all people judge it as trash?
Ok, in the eyes of the pope, they weren’t officially idols. But it in the observed worship type behavior of others, they obviously were.

A prudent person not only avoids promoting things that tempt him, but also things he has good reason to believe might tempt his neighbor.
 
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Was that a joke? How would you logically go about conquering al-Azhar? Go on, I’m all ears.
 
Point is you conceded ends can justify means, thus can’t solely look at the act.
 
Would you argue that cardinals and other catholics in the place were tempted to change of religion and begin practicing culturally distinct practices?
 
So, the ends justify the means after all? We should destroy mosques then! To rid God’s Creation from heresies!
‘If God did not repel some people by means of others, many monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, where God’s name is much invoked, would have been destroyed. God is sure to help those who help His cause- God is strong and mighty.’ (Al-Haj: 40).
 
So, the ends justify the means after all?
“The end does not justify the means.” Many people, and unfortunately that includes you, often state that principle incorrectly. The true dictum is, “The end does not always justify the means.” In the present case, the end changed the formal character of the act, and so it is justified.
We should destroy mosques then! To rid God’s Creation from heresies!
You can’t get rid of heresies just by destroying mosques. Besides, God did not tell us to get rid of idols worshipped by idolaters in their own temples, nor to destroy their temples. By giving the first commandment, He effectively told us not to join them or worship their idols. That is why their idols should not be in our churches.
 
A prudent person not only avoids promoting things that tempt him, but also things he has good reason to believe might tempt his neighbor.
Exactly!
Then it is moral for a woman to take misoprostol if the thought of having a child is making her have suicide thoughts! After all, formally it isn’t murder, is it?
In this case, it is formally murder. Although the remote end of the act is to avoid having suicide thoughts, the proximate end of the act is the killing of an innocent child, which is objectively and intrinsically evil.

In the case of Alexander and his companions, the mere act of getting the idols out of the church is not in itself an intrinsically evil act. It may be an illegal act, since they did it without permission, but it is not an intrinsically evil act.
 
The problems that come from hiding now have but opening an old wound for a bad reason isn’t prudent and only adds to the problem.
I agree, opening an old wound for a bad reason isn’t prudent. But exposing a sexual abuse that was suppressed and kept hidden for years is not being done for a bad reason. This is being done to cleanse the church of internal corruption and to give justice to the victims of sexual abuse.
 
I was a little surprised to see him go public at first, but I see why he has. Criminals and thieves hide, and I suppose that is his way of taking a stand and conveying the message of not having anything to hide, whether people agree with him or not.
 
is not in itself an intrinsically evil act. It may be an illegal act, since they did it without permission, but it is not an intrinsically evil act.
Considering the vitriolic reaction, many do think it is equivalent to “an intrinsically evil act”, since its viewed as an act of “heresy” against new modernist “religious doctrines” of diversity, tolerance, inclusivity and environmentalism.

This is why 1st commandment falls on deaf ears to them. To them, that doctrine has been replaced by this new doctrine.
 
But exposing a sexual abuse that was suppressed and kept hidden for years is not being done for a bad reason. This is being done to cleanse the church of internal corruption and to give justice to the victims of sexual abuse.
I agree with this.
 
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Is stealing good?
If someone were to put a pro-LGBT sign in the Vatican, naturally it would be taken down and thrown away. The same can be said for a pro-abortion poster being placed in a devout pro-life Catholic’s car. Or someone putting less-than modest pictures of celebrities in a local Church. In these cases, would disposal of these be stealing? If you still believe it is in these cases, is it wrong? The question becomes, why should it be any different for idols? Should they just be left there?
 
The good news, you can read the Spanish translation with Google Translate.

Documento final del Sínodo Amazonico
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            *“Y dijo el que está sentado en el trono: “Mira, hago nuevas todas las cosas” Y dijo: “Escribe: ¡estas palabras son fieles y verdaderas!”* ( *Ap* 21,5)
Después de un largo camino sinodal de escucha del Pueblo de Dios en la Iglesia de la Amazonía, que inauguró el Papa Francisco en su visita a la Amazonía, 19 de enero de 2018, el Sínodo se celebró en Roma en un encuentro fraternal de 21 días en octubre 2019. El clima fue de intercambio abierto, libre y respetuoso de los obispos pastores en la Amazonía, misioneros y misioneras, laicos, laicas, y representantes de los pueblos indígenas de la Amazonía.
@AlbMagno I really appreciate your effort in engaging these folks. But matter of fact is: the Austrians who claim to have pulled that stunt weren’t invited, it was nothing of their business.

I find it funny when the self-proclaimed perpetrator in the video says:“We got to Rome, found a Portuguese translator, but still couldn’t understand anything, anyway.”
 
There is not canon that says that idols can be placed in a church.
There actually is canon. It goes all the way back to Moses. It’s called the first commandment. Have you ever read the Book of Ezekiel? God was very angry His people put idols in His house. So angry He left Israel and came back with Babylon to get his things.

Think about it this way:
Would you allow “santa” muerte idols to be placed in one of God’s churches?
 
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Christianity is not inherently a European religion. My ancestors had to throw their own idols into the river. For many years people tried to reintroduce them for worship. Some saints were martyred for opposition to European indigenous idols.
 
If they are idols or not is disputed. And that is where we disagree.
NOW this is the part were you distinguish a man of great culture and intellect!! Most esteemed @AlbMagno, at the press conference the Vatican itself had to short-cut the issue (because the Indians had said it was "Our Lady of the Amazon) just as to move forward and avoid any further speculation.

But pope Francis gave a discreet, public, personal response, a few days latter. Such is a broad-minded understanding gentleman 🤣 :

“Beauty unites us. It invites us to live human brotherhood, countering the culture of resentment, racism, and nationalism which is always lurking,” the Holy Father said.

“May this Ethnological Museum preserve its specific identity over time and remind everyone of the value of harmony and peace between peoples and nations.”


He said he hoped the exhibit will “make the voice of God resound in those who visit this collection”.
 
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PLEASE PEOPLE READ CAREFULLY, I’ve said there is not a canon that says that idols can be placed in a church, if God is angry at true idols, then obviously there won’t be a canon defying God.
 
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