One of the men who threw the Idols (Pachamama) in the Tiber speaks!

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Rhetorical question: Is this a situation in which public action by an activist supplants trust in God and prayer?

I said “Rhetorical”
 
The difference is that a pro-LGBT sign wasn’t authorized to be placed at the Vatican, while the statues were. If they weren’t, that would be vandalism and potential sacrilege, but they were part of the Synod.
 
So you recognize that God doesn’t want idols in the church, so than why are you quick to defend people putting idols in the church?

Contrary to what some people think, just because some is labeled as a “statute of fertility” or “mother earth” doesn’t make it less of an idol. Pachamama means “mother earth”. These abused Amazonians are no different than the Germanics that St. Boniface had to deal with in his times. Both the early germanics and these amazonians both worshiped creation as well as the one God. The difference is that St. Boniface didn’t enable them and allow them to worship creation. So why all of the sudden are we allowing these amazonians to worship creation while worshipping God? It makes no sense.

And don’t pull the race card. Race has nothing to do with paganism because paganism has no place in human society, let alone Jesus’ church.

Again, I reffer to my earlier question:

Would you allow idols of “santa” muerte in a church?
 
Aquinas11 said:
Exactly. If he had taken a gun from a mass shooter in the Church, would his critics still be saying “Theft! he took private property!!”
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Completely agree. He was protecting the Church. It does seem like so many people, Catholics, do not realize this and are so okay with idols in the sanctuary. I don’t get it either, except that over recent years the realization of the holiness of the sanctuary has been lost. This is not the Catholicism I grew up with.
 
AlbMagno said:
The difference is that a pro-LGBT sign wasn’t authorized to be placed at the Vatican, while the statues were. If they weren’t, that would be vandalism and potential sacrilege, but they were part of the Synod.
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Pope Stephen VI “authorized” his predecessor’s corpse be dug up and put on public trial, was that not "vandalism " either, since it was “authorized”?
 
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I’ve already stated in the thread that I don’t think they are necessarily idols.

I’ve never talked about race, stop threatening me with things I didn’t say.
 
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adgloriam said:
But matter of fact is: the Austrians who claim to have pulled that stunt weren’t invited, it was nothing of their business.
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The Austrians were Catholics, so it was their business to keep Catholic churches free of idols.
adgloriam said:
the Indians had said it was "Our Lady of the Amazon)
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Maybe some people did say that. But the Pope said it was the Pachamama. And the true image of the “Our Lady of the Amazon,” was not naked. Here is the true picture of Our Lady of the Amazon, first pointed out in another thread by MagdalenaRita:

Emeraldlady said:
They are cultural symbols of motherhood as a God given gift.
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Then why not display a true image of our ideal mother, the Virgin Mary. And if you want an image with an Amazonian touch, use the true “Our Lady of the Amazon,” not the Pachamama.
 
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CarmeliteKnight said:
There actually is canon. It goes all the way back to Moses. It’s called the first commandment.
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That’s true. But there is actually a canon law that prohibits the display of statues except those of Christ, the Blessed Virgin, and our Catholic saints. You can read the provisions in the 1983 Code of Canon Law, Book IV, Part II, Title IV. In particular, Canon 1187 states: “It is permitted to reverence through public veneration only those servants of God whom the authority of the Church has recorded in the list of the saints or the blessed.” (Italics added.)

Since the Pachamama is not a statue of the Virgin Mary or of any of the saints registered in the list of the saints and the blessed, its display in the church is prohibited.
 
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CarmeliteKnight said:
Contrary to what some people think, just because some is labeled as a “statute of fertility” or “mother earth” doesn’t make it less of an idol. Pachamama means “mother earth”.
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Yes! Also, even if we grant that these statues were mere symbols or works of art and were not being worshipped as idols, it is still not appropriate to display them in our churches. Because our churches are places of worship, and only those works of art must be placed there that remind us of heavenly things. If the statue is the Pachamama, as the Pope said, then it would remind us of the earth, not of heaven. Also, not any statue or painting can be placed in the church, no matter how expertly crafted. By Canon Law (Canon 1187) we generally display only statues and paintings of Christ, the Blessed Mother, and our saints in the church.
 
Undoubtedly.

Will be muting now. Our interaction on this thread defines “pointless discussion”.
 
What a disappointment that you refused to discuss the Hagia Sophia idea. But, of course, that idea would not work for you.
BTW. In case you don’t know, al-Azhar was established by the Shia. Maybe they would have something to say here?
 
Crusader13 said:
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Emeraldlady:
They are cultural symbols of motherhood as a God given gift.
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So you don’t believe they are Pachamama?
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I don’t believe they are idols imbued with divine power. I accept them as the Pope does, as cultural symbols of motherhood and its relation to the gifts of nature.
 
rom said:
Then why not display a true image of our ideal mother, the Virgin Mary. And if you want an image with an Amazonian touch, use the true “Our Lady of the Amazon,” not the Pachamama.
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Why can’t motherhood be recognised as universal and a gift from God, even to the tribes deep in the Amazon.
 
adgloriam said:
“Beauty unites us. It invites us to live human brotherhood, countering the culture of resentment, racism, and nationalism which is always lurking,” the Holy Father said.

“May this Ethnological Museum preserve its specific identity over time and remind everyone of the value of harmony and peace between peoples and nations.”

He said he hoped the exhibit will “ make the voice of God resound in those who visit this collection”.
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This lovey dovey stuff isn’t going to change any racist person’s mind.
 
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rom said:
Here is the true picture of Our Lady of the Amazon, first pointed out in another thread by MagdalenaRita:
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I was the first one on CAF to include the image well before MagdalenaRita.
rom said:
But the Pope said it was the Pachamama.
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Nope, Vatican spokesperson at the daily press conference.
rom said:
The Austrians were Catholics
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Nope, the synod was for the people of the Amazon. The official document says as much.

You got more facts wrong?
 
Emeraldlady said:
I don’t believe they are idols imbued with divine power. I accept them as the Pope does, as cultural symbols of motherhood and its relation to the gifts of nature.
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Perhaps I misunderstood the Popes words when he identified them as Pachamama statues. Pachamama is in fact a pagan goddess.
Emeraldlady said:
Why can’t motherhood be recognised as universal and a gift from God, even to the tribes deep in the Amazon.
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You’re asking a question that doesn’t pertain to the issue. If Pachamama is in fact a goddess, which represents motherhood, amongst other aspects of life and ecology, then you can’t separate the statue’s identity from what that identity represents.

If during a children’s Catechism class, some of the students wanted to bring in a Quija board during October would that be ok? The children may think it’s silly and a fun way to try and get a scare or two, but most Catholics know what the Quija board represents. Regardless of whether or not you can buy it in the toy section of Target. And regardless of whether or not the children had any intentions of actually trying to contact spirits.
 
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