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Can you prove it was “worship” by picture? We certainly do not know, without speaking directly to them, what the significance is.
You need to clarify yourself.Ok, so nothing that documents they thought it was a god.
I’m assuming you know Amazonian culture? what the significance of speaking in Native tongues might have signified for them. I am not interested in Ecuadorian paganism. I am interested in those specific Natives and what they, themselves, have to say. I have still read no quotes from them–only everyone speaking for them and ascribing idolatry to them by seeing pictures.You need to clarify yourself.
You asked for evidence that they believed it was God.
The only God I capitalize is God. Not an idol, or demon, or myth.
This is quite silly, in fact. Are you asking us here to find “those specific” people who were there and interview them to determine if they were worshipping these idols?I’m assuming you know Amazonian culture? what the significance of speaking in Native tongues might have signified for them. I am not interested in Ecuadorian paganism. I am interested in those specific Natives and what they, themselves, have to say. I have still read no quotes from them–only everyone speaking for them and ascribing idolatry to them by seeing pictures.
Traditionalist are out tonight.This synod was organized by German bishops. They orchestrated the whole thing and “invited” the idols to be used in the ceremonies in the presence and participation of the bishop of Rome.
I’m merely wanting proof that the natives were worshiping these statues as God. Something other than pictures“invited” the idols
You mean, people who follow the magisterium and the Bible? You are absolutely right.Traditionalist are out tonight.
I suspect you will have to go and ask them what was in their hearts and minds when they were bowing down in the circle around the statues.I’m merely wanting proof that the natives were worshiping these statues as God. Something other than pictures
You mean Catholics.Traditionalist are out tonight.
Wouldn’t that be better than accusing them. But, it seems you DO know what’s in their hearts and minds (considering you are accusing them without any proof). Something that Jesus said he’ll do in Revelation 2:23"… I am the searcher of hearts and minds…". A Divine ability you have MagdalenaRitaI suspect you will have to go and ask them what was in their hearts and minds when they were bowing down in the circle.
That all dependsYou mean Catholics.
And this implies what exactly?I said the statues were idols and they bowed down to them
Exactly the question I want to ask you. You see, we can’t talk to those natives and all we can do is interpret their actions. You know how some of us here in the forum interpret them. Since the pachamamas are known idols, and the natives performed ritual similar to pagan worship, we interpreted their acts as worship of idols. How about you? You seem to be skeptical about the correctness of that interpretation. What do you think were they doing when they were dancing around, chanting, bowing and prostrating, with incense, candles, food offerings, etc.? What do you think were they doing? Celebrating a baby shower? Were they playing a guessing game - will it be a boy or a girl? Are they making wishes about whether the new child will look like the mom or the dad? I submit these are possibilities – except why are they so solemn and so serious? What theory do you have?And this implies what exactly?
I think when people do generally-accepted “worship posture” (bowing, etc) it is typically understood to mean “I am worshipping.” When my non-Catholic relatives accompany us to Mass, they sit while we kneel. Why? I presume because they don’t want to look like they’re worshipping something they don’t believe in. The only reason I could see someone feeling comfortable appearing to worship something they didn’t really “intend” to worship would be if they were an actor in a skit & the whole thing was pretend to them. Maybe that’s what Pope Francis meant when he said the apparent-worshippers did not have idolatrous intent? That they were just play-acting the whole time?? Possibly the whole synod?? If so, that raises a whole new set of questions…And this implies what exactly?
Which member of the Trinity do you hypothesize the statue to represent?I’m merely wanting proof that the natives were worshiping these statues as God.
Perhaps you want testimony from someone that knows. Someone familiar with the native culture and practices.I’m merely wanting proof that the natives were worshiping these statues as God. Something other than pictures
You keep referencing God as a potential object of their worship in this ceremony.You “answer” a question with a question. I’m guessing you have to proof to offer
If you ever were to kneel before a statue of Jesus, Mary(as a bride and groom sometimes do), etc, would you be kneeling because that statue is a god or goddess?I presume because they don’t want to look like they’re worshipping something they don’t believe in. The only reason I could see someone feeling comfortable appearing to worship something they didn’t really “intend” to worship would be if they were an actor in a skit & the whole thing was pretend to them