Exactly.
Even without the ceremony, the Pope making this acknowledgement tells us what it is.
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Even without the ceremony, the Pope making this acknowledgement tells us what it is.
Of course not. We kneel and pray to what it represents.
Which brings back one of my questions…
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Perhaps you should look at these as well.
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Jen7
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Well, no, but I do intend to be praying to whom they represent. Which if the statue were and idol still seems it would convey intent-to-pray.
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JimmyDFG
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Where have I admitted worship was going on?
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JimmyDFG
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Ok, so even thou they are kneeling before, they are NOT worshipping it. Thank you!!!
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JimmyDFG
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… the native woman who presided over the service, and Fr. Roberto Rojas, the priest who was interviewed by Rome Reports
and who was the organizer of the exhibit in the Church of Santa Maria in Transpontina. Both of them referred to the figures
as “Our Lady of the Amazon.”
and who was the organizer of the exhibit in the Church of Santa Maria in Transpontina. Both of them referred to the figures
as “Our Lady of the Amazon.”
You should respond to what was written instead of what you wish was written.
Your celebratory exclamation could become a source of embarrassment.
Was written in response to the question:
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JimmyDFG
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It’s not hard to understand.
It does not matter what it represents, saints etc. The fact of the matter is, the statue is NOT a god or goddess. Plain and simple. Am I right or am I wrong?
Are Jews guilty of idol worship because they bow at the Western Wall.
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JimmyDFG
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And this would include saints. But “pray to” is not actually correct. What the Church normally uses instead is the phrase “intercession of the saints” which is asking the saints for their intercession.
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JimmyDFG
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No one has claimed the statues to be god or a deity at all.
You did ask if we knelt before statues because they were a god or goddess.
We do not pray to statues, we pray to what they represent.
The answer is no, of course not.
We do not pray to statues, we pray to what they represent.
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JimmyDFG
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Is that so?
Pope Francis specifically said it was done not with an idolatrous intent. So do you accept that or not?
Doesn’t matter.
The intent is not what is being argued.
What is being argued is what it actually is and what was actually done with it.
It is a pagan idol.
It was brought into the Church.
And it was eventually tossed into the river.
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GiftofMercy
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Can someone explain syncretism to me please
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rom
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There are two ways idolatry can be committed.
First, by worshiping a statue itself or any other creature as if it was a god or goddess.
Second, by using a statue or some other object to worship a creature that the statue represents.
If worship is not being given to the pachamama statue itself, but to the mother-earth goddess which the statue represents, then idolatry is still being committed because the earth is a creature. Worship of any creature is idolatry.
First, by worshiping a statue itself or any other creature as if it was a god or goddess.
Second, by using a statue or some other object to worship a creature that the statue represents.
If worship is not being given to the pachamama statue itself, but to the mother-earth goddess which the statue represents, then idolatry is still being committed because the earth is a creature. Worship of any creature is idolatry.
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If it doesn’t matter to you, then it’s just cherry picking…
“I’m not going to question the credibility of our Pope with things I agree with. But when its something I don’t like or I disagree with “It doesn’t matter””.
In other words you don’t believe him that it wasn’t done with an idolatrous intent.
“I’m not going to question the credibility of our Pope with things I agree with. But when its something I don’t like or I disagree with “It doesn’t matter””.
In other words you don’t believe him that it wasn’t done with an idolatrous intent.
No. It simply means it is not pertinent one way or the other.
Trying to straw man again?
I never said I disagree with anything he said.
I simply stated that it is irrelevant if there was intent or not.
Intent is irrelevant in deciding if this is a pagan idol, if they brought it into the Church, and if it should instead be in a river.
“In other words” is the red flag that should let you know you are using a straw man fallacy.
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