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Erikaspirit16
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Sorry, my mistake…
Only 31 deaths of children under age 15 involving COVID-19. Common flu-related child deaths from 37 to 187 during regular flu season. Should Governors
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Erikaspirit16
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If you have a high school (and maybe middle school?) where there are different teachers for each subject, teachers probably have 5-6 different classes a day X 30 students = 150-180 students they come into contact with. See my photo above of a high school in Georgia. Look safe to you? I can’t think of any other occupation that would put you in contact with that many people on a daily basis with virtually no protection (again, look at the photo–two masks in sight). And teen agers aren’t renowned for their common sense.
If they only teach the same students all day (gr. 1-5?) then it would be much less of a problem. This is what I said earlier–everyone seems to be on an “all or nothing” Crusade. Why? Why not open schools with grades 1-5 since there’s evidence children 10 and under don’t seem to get or spread the virus as much. And if a county has few (some have none) cases, fine, open the school. But if your school is in Phoenix, , LA, Chicago, etc. opening is simply a death warrant. And set up some reasonable criteria (erring on the side of safety) for other schools.
I’m sure you really didn’t mean “they can change occupations.” That’s extremely difficult under the best circumstances, let alone when the unemployment rate is 10% with 30+ million unemployed. Not an option–at least now.
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Dolphin
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You can’t even go to public schools in my state without getting the flu vaccine…
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Jeanne_S
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Where do you live,if you don’t mind me asking?
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Dolphin
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Northeast US
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John_Martin
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A few of my friends were in retirement homes, gone now due to the trumpvirus; your children have been in quarantine, and now he will send them into the schools, and many of your children and their elders will then be gone. Once quarantine ends, apparent immunity ends.
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RhodesianSon
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Death is inevitable for all. Can’t hide from it forever.
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RhodesianSon
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I don’t get it either. I don’t know anyone who hasn’t worked through this whole thing like normal. Not sure why teachers think they deserve some special treatment.
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Erikaspirit16
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Gee, how did that go the first week? Well let’s see now…6 students and 3 teachers tested positive (more to come, no doubt) and they shut the school for at least two days for “cleaning.” As if “cleaning” will fix what you see in the photo.
Oh, yeah, the school officials also suspended the two students who posted photos. In the great tradition of freedom of speech and transparency. They reversed the suspension two days later after massive outcries. But it shows their true colors: hush it up!
Pathetic.
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1cthlctrth
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https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19
Worldwide, relatively few children have been reported with COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. Data from the Netherlands also confirms the current understanding: that children play a minor role in the spread of the novel coronavirus. The virus is mainly spread between adults and from adult family members to children. The spread of COVID-19 among children or from children to adults is less common.
Children up to and including 17 years of age do not have to keep 1.5 metres apart from each other and from adults. This also applies to childcare and primary education.
Based on source and contact tracing from the beginning of the epidemic, we see the following: looking at 10 COVID-19 patients who were <18 years old, they had 43 close contacts, and none of them became ill. Source patients under 18 who were monitored in this context did not infect others.
No coronavirus infections were found in the 137 patients under 20 years old who were tested (based on data up to end of April 2020).
Denmark was the first country to reopen childcare and primary education, as of 15 April. They have not reported any negative effects after reopening the schools and are not seeing any increase in the reproduction number. A study from Australia showed that there had been confirmed cases of COVID-19 in 9 children and 9 employees. 735 children and 128 employees had been in close ncontact with these patients. Two other children may possibly have been infected by one of these 18 patients. No other teacher or staff member contracted COVID-19.
A study from Ireland looking at 3 children and 3 adults in schools, dating from before the school closure, showed that there were no infections by children in school. The study looked at 1155 contacts in total and identified two patients; these two were both adults that were related to two adult source patients, and the infection took place outside the school. There were 924 children and 101 adults who had had close contact with one of the source patients at school, and none of them had COVID-19.
Latest Research Prove That Covid School Closures are Based on Politics, Not Science
Here are two examples.
• Ireland: Researchers compared infected children with infected adults. Despite identifying a total of 722 contacts for the infected children, the study found not a single instance of an infected child passing on the virus. In contrast, the adults who were infected had many fewer contacts – 102 – and yet did pass on the infection.
• Netherlands: A report by the ministry of health in the Netherlands, based on extensive contact tracing data, also found almost no disease spread by infected patients 20 and under at all.
Worldwide, relatively few children have been reported with COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. Data from the Netherlands also confirms the current understanding: that children play a minor role in the spread of the novel coronavirus. The virus is mainly spread between adults and from adult family members to children. The spread of COVID-19 among children or from children to adults is less common.
Children up to and including 17 years of age do not have to keep 1.5 metres apart from each other and from adults. This also applies to childcare and primary education.
Based on source and contact tracing from the beginning of the epidemic, we see the following: looking at 10 COVID-19 patients who were <18 years old, they had 43 close contacts, and none of them became ill. Source patients under 18 who were monitored in this context did not infect others.
No coronavirus infections were found in the 137 patients under 20 years old who were tested (based on data up to end of April 2020).
Denmark was the first country to reopen childcare and primary education, as of 15 April. They have not reported any negative effects after reopening the schools and are not seeing any increase in the reproduction number. A study from Australia showed that there had been confirmed cases of COVID-19 in 9 children and 9 employees. 735 children and 128 employees had been in close ncontact with these patients. Two other children may possibly have been infected by one of these 18 patients. No other teacher or staff member contracted COVID-19.
A study from Ireland looking at 3 children and 3 adults in schools, dating from before the school closure, showed that there were no infections by children in school. The study looked at 1155 contacts in total and identified two patients; these two were both adults that were related to two adult source patients, and the infection took place outside the school. There were 924 children and 101 adults who had had close contact with one of the source patients at school, and none of them had COVID-19.
Latest Research Prove That Covid School Closures are Based on Politics, Not Science
Here are two examples.
• Ireland: Researchers compared infected children with infected adults. Despite identifying a total of 722 contacts for the infected children, the study found not a single instance of an infected child passing on the virus. In contrast, the adults who were infected had many fewer contacts – 102 – and yet did pass on the infection.
• Netherlands: A report by the ministry of health in the Netherlands, based on extensive contact tracing data, also found almost no disease spread by infected patients 20 and under at all.
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Erikaspirit16
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Nope. Only children up to age 10. Above that age, they spread it as much as any other adult.
So what you are saying is that out of 20 million cases, you are going to look at a cherry picked 10 cases?
Read my comment just above about that wonderful high school in Georgia. As I said, pathetic.
And of course you’re ignoring all my previous nuanced comments. But that’s OK, I’ve been used to that since 2015.
Oh, and Trump’s claim (twice in interviews!!!) that the US is the lowest in case mortality rates? Not only is it NOT the lowest, it’s #110. 109 other countries (!!!) have lower case mortality rates. But what’s a little fib between friends?
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BlueMaxx
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This. thread. is. heeeelarious!
They say 3 percent of the people use 5 to 6 percent of their brain
97 percent use 3 percent and the rest goes down the drain
I’ll never know which one I am but I’ll bet you my last dime
99 percent think we’re 3 percent 100 percent of the time
64 percent of all the world’s statistics are made up right there on the spot
82.4 percent of people believe 'em whether they’re accurate statistics or not
I don’t know what you believe but I do know there’s no doubt
I need another double shot of something 90 proof, I got too much to think about
Todd Snider
They say 3 percent of the people use 5 to 6 percent of their brain
97 percent use 3 percent and the rest goes down the drain
I’ll never know which one I am but I’ll bet you my last dime
99 percent think we’re 3 percent 100 percent of the time
64 percent of all the world’s statistics are made up right there on the spot
82.4 percent of people believe 'em whether they’re accurate statistics or not
I don’t know what you believe but I do know there’s no doubt
I need another double shot of something 90 proof, I got too much to think about
Todd Snider
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pnewton
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They can put that on the school marquee.
Welcome back students!
Death is inevitable for all!
Welcome back students!
Death is inevitable for all!
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RhodesianSon
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Memento Mori
It is not death that a man should fear, but rather he should fear never beginning to live.” —Marcus Aurelius
It is not death that a man should fear, but rather he should fear never beginning to live.” —Marcus Aurelius
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BlueMaxx
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You forgot.
Welcome back students!
Death is inevitable for all!
Todays lunch is square pizza and tater tots!
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TC3033
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Well, to be honest, I think we’ve learned that teacher do have a job that could be done remotely. I don’t see how that’s some sort of special treatment, but rater professional respect…
I guess I’m the opposite of you, where I know fewer people who’ve worked through the pandemic like nothing happened. I personally have worked the entire time, but haven’t seen the inside of my office since the first week of March. My company isn’t going to request us to come in if our job can be done remotely, I’m not sure why teachers would be any different, especially now that we’ve learned they have the ability to teach remotely given the proper preparation time.
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RhodesianSon
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Everything I’ve seen has shown that students have suffered greatly not being in a classroom environment as far as progress and retention of information goes.
But there’s also the fact that our society is geared around a two income family for most and suddenly having nowhere to send kids during the day is going to be a huge obstacle to most working families.
One of my managers for instance, obviously works for me full time, and his wife is a nurse currently on a COVID floor. He has two boys 10 and 12. What exactly is he supposed to do with his kids while they’re both at work if there’s no school to send them to?
But there’s also the fact that our society is geared around a two income family for most and suddenly having nowhere to send kids during the day is going to be a huge obstacle to most working families.
One of my managers for instance, obviously works for me full time, and his wife is a nurse currently on a COVID floor. He has two boys 10 and 12. What exactly is he supposed to do with his kids while they’re both at work if there’s no school to send them to?
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Jeanne_S
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There is a comprehensive article that exposes the real facts and data re this virus on another thread,Titled; Trump doesn’t grasp the severity of this pandemic, suggest you read that before jumping to judgement re all of this.
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TC3033
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Well, as was stated above, that teachers who don’t want to be in close contact with individuals right now should switch jobs and find one where they can WFH. I would assume it would be that easy for any professional, so I guess that would be the first route I’d suggest.
Kidding aside, school isn’t free daycare, I can’t answer for your employee. In all honesty though, if your employee’s wife is working on a COVID floor I really wouldn’t want her kids in a classroom with mine (or teachers) anyways.
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RhodesianSon
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In large part that’s what it is.
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