Only 31 deaths of children under age 15 involving COVID-19. Common flu-related child deaths from 37 to 187 during regular flu season. Should Governors

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I may need you to extrapolate a bit on this one
Extrapolation: I think when people have to pay for their education, they value it more and work harder. When it’s handed to them free, they shrug it off.

And people who have to pay for private education PLUS the 4th highest property taxes in the nation, of which 60% goes to pay for public schools in which only 15% of the students achieve grade level on their standardized tests-well, yes, I’m not a happy camper at all.
 
Extrapolation: I think when people have to pay for their education, they value it more and work harder. When it’s handed to them free, they shrug it off.
Nobody should have to pay for education.
 
I understand you have some underlying thing against teachers
That would be the public school system, not teachers. There is an underlying injustice for those who pay for both public and private education, with tuition not even being tax deductible. The bigger agenda is against school choice. So it is no surprise some of those on the border of being able to use Catholic schools are a little resentful against this economic injustice.

So do not take it personally as a teacher. If there really was equity in school choice, then teachers too would have choice without a significant pay drop.
 
Let me clarify. Education for children should be free. They should not have to pay to go to school.
But we DO pay–through our taxes! And there is no way we can withhold our taxes if the schools/teachers don’t seem to be doing a good job!

In a private school, you have some options–if there is chaos in the classroom, uncontrolled bullying, street gangs that rule the school, consistent failure of the students to meet minimum standards on achievement tests–you can refuse to pay until the problems are dealt with.

But we can’t withhold our property taxes! We have to pay the bills even if we get little for our money. Or perhaps I should qualify that–those of us who own property have to pay taxes. Those who rent or who live in subsidized housing do NOT have to pay taxes that pay for public school education, at least not in our city. Maybe they do in other cities in the U.S.?
 
Maybe they do in other cities in the U.S.?
We’re camping and I’m only phone, so I can really give better answers until Sunday or Monday…but ya…at least here. Property tax is part of what their rent covers.
 
I will clarify for you. Renters pay property taxes through the person who owns the property. If there were no property taxes, then the market would lower the rent. It is the same way that “utilities paid” is really “utilities included.” Do not shop sale ads that are “free with the purchase” unless you understand this. How’s that? (enjoy your weekend).
 
I will clarify for you. Renters pay property taxes through the person who owns the property. If there were no property taxes, then the market would lower the rent.
Of course you’re right. But they are not sent an actual property tax bill.

My dad owned quite a few rental properties in our city, and he was known and loved for charging very cheap rents compared to other landlords. I don’t think he made any profit to speak of. He just like collecting houses and properties and providing them for people. Many of his tenants were people who couldn’t afford high rents.

But I realize that many landlords don’t run their businesses this way. My dad was able to do it because he also worked other jobs.

pnewton, I know you take issue with my opinion of public school teachers, but please keep in mind that you do not live where I live.

I assure you that I am not a maverick in this city when it comes to this issue. Many people in our city feel the same way about the schools and about the attitudes of the teachers who seem to be willing to strike almost every year (including this year because of the COVID pandemic), and who have several times held strikes that have essentially blackmailed parents into giving in to teacher demands.

The teachers in our city are paid well, and the starting salaries are around $62,000 in a city where unemployment has been high for ages (it was dropping in the first three years of the Trump Administration and old factories were opening again for the first time in decades–that’s all bust now because of COVID). That starting teacher salary is more than I make after working more than 30 years in a hospital lab.

My father-in-law taught in public schools for 17 years, and quit to work in factories when he was in his 40s. He is now 85, and has been receiving his teacher pension for decades–that pension is more than my husband makes in his job after more than 40 years as a systems administrator for a large information systems company.

I have no objection to good teachers receiving a high wage. But we have lived here now for over 30 years after moving back here from Raleigh, North Carolina to be close to our family. NEVER in all those years have the test scores on standardized testing been anywhere near good! Never! There are a few public schools where students at least achieve grade level, and a small percentage of the students bring in high scores in the 80th and 90th percentile.

But most of the schools have abysmal scores and every year, there is public outcry–we all see the writing on the wall! We live in a city where a large percentage of the population is essentially illiterate–it’s no wonder so many people, especially minorities and the poor, can’t seem to rise out of poverty. Until they are able to receive a good education, they will never be able to earn a good income from their own work.

In our city/county, “public schools” is the largest line item on the budget.

Again, you don’t live where I live. I do realize that other states and cities/towns have GOOD public schools with GOOD teachers who achieve miracles.
 
Of course not. Their parents should be the ones paying, presuming that this education has some value to them.
 
pnewton, I know you take issue with my opinion of public school teachers, but please keep in mind that you do not live where I live.
No, not really. I too live where teachers are paid, or arguably, over-paid. But we have to provide education for children. So I may be somewhere in the middle. But because I believe education to be the goal, not paying people, I think we have to get schools up and running the best we can.
 
I agree. Let’s enslave all the teachers!
You obviously did not read my follow up post meant for those who could not understand my previous.
I was not talking about teachers!!!
I was talking about education being free for children so enough of your sarcastic remarks.
 
You obviously did not read my follow up post meant for those who could not understand my previous.
I was not talking about teachers!!!
I was talking about education being free for children so enough of your sarcastic remarks.
This one?
Let me clarify. Education for children should be free. They should not have to pay to go to school.
It didn’t really explain much. What kind of education do you have in mind? One that doesn’t involve teachers?
 
What on earth are you talking about. The government should be paying for teachers.
That’s entirely different from “Nobody should pay”. In fact it’s equivalent to “everyone should pay”, perhaps the kids more than their parents, as most government spending is now funded through debt, which will be serviced in the future.
 
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