Only 31 deaths of children under age 15 involving COVID-19. Common flu-related child deaths from 37 to 187 during regular flu season. Should Governors

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John_Martin:
Trumpvirus.
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Even with the benefit of hindsight, do you have any SPECIFIC ideas regarding what Trump should have done differently? Or, do you just find it entertaining to distract away from reality?
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The biggest damage Trump has caused has nothing to do with any official Presidential powers. It is the misuse of the bully pulpit. Trump used his popularity to spread disinformation and undermine public support of public health recommendations, which makes it very hard for states to mount an effective public response to the virus. If you want specific tweets or statements or press conference remarks, I can easily provide them. But we all know what he said and the effect it had.
 
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Former Vice President Joe Biden was harshly critical, tweeting March 12, “Banning all travel from Europe — or any other part of the world — will not stop it.” This followed Biden’s earlier attack on Trump’s international travel restrictions during a campaign speech in which he said, “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia, hysterical xenophobia … and fearmongering.”
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Interesting - Trump has control, not listening to experts nor Biden, and , “Banning all travel from Europe — or any other part of the world —" DID NOT STOP IT.
Biden was correct, The trumpvirus only grows in deadliness with Trump’s false assertions to fool his base to force a second extended term.
 
A groundbreaking new study commissioned by Revolver News concludes that COVID-19 lockdowns are ten times more deadly than the actual COVID-19 virus in terms of years of life lost by American citizens.

The results are nothing short of staggering, and suggest that the lockdowns will end up costing Americans over 10 times as many years of life as they will save from the China virus itself.

We need to re-open the schools and their activities. If we don’t re-open, the long term damage will be far worse. We should think about our children’s future, instead of shutting things down for political reasons.

 
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A groundbreaking new study commissioned by Revolver News concludes that COVID-19 lockdowns are ten times more deadly than the actual COVID-19 virus in terms of years of life lost by American citizens.
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Due to the unfortunately politicized nature of the COVID-19 lockdowns, and the associated plausibility of professional repercussions, the authors have chosen for the time being to represent themselves pseudonymously.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
or that they have to wear them all day, such as when they are sitting at their plexiglass-enclosed personal desk space, at a safe distance from other children.
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FYI - what you say here really ticked me off with my local school district. What you say makes sense, but apparently it makes too much sense for some school districts.

Before my school district reversed course and announced that everything was going virtual (because 75% of the families were choosing in school education for their kids), the superintendent said EVERY child had to wear a mask all day long except when behind non see-through enclosures that were meant only for breaks.

It was very stupid… they were going to give kids enclosures, but not see-through ones. So they could only use them for short mask breaks.

During an online town hall, I asked the superintendent why the enclosures were not see-through so they could be used during instruction and the superintendent didn’t have an answer, he dodged my question by saying something about “barriers to education.” :roll_eyes:
 
Irishmom2 said:
“Shut down schools permanently?”

That is a little over the top, don’t you think? The world has lived through epidemics, plagues and all kinds of sickness without ever closing schools permanently.

That is a ridiculous statement.
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Well… obviously govt schools will remain open due to taxpayer money, but there are starting to be a number of private schools that have been closing their doors permanently due to COVID-19.

Many are Catholic schools that were already either having financial difficulties or were breaking even. There has already been news articles in Catholic media about a growing number of Catholic schools permanently closing due to COVID-19. 😦
 
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John_Martin said:
“Banning all travel from Europe — or any other part of the world —" DID NOT STOP IT.
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This is the only support you have given behind your label of “trumpvirus”.

So, are you saying that Trump is to blame for China Virus deaths in the United States because Trump banned foreign travel?
 
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So, are you saying that Trump is to blame for China Virus deaths in the United States because Trump banned foreign travel?
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No, Trump is to blame for the reasons given in the new Bob Woodward book based on interviews with the President where he admitted on the record that he was deliberately downplaying the seriousness of the virus. His excuse now is that he did not want to cause a panic. But he went so far in his downplaying that he shattered all public confidence in our public health official recommendation. As a result the nation was absorbed in the debate over whether the virus was really that serious, instead of all getting on the same page behind our CDC. Even without the Bob Woodward interview, we all remember how he sidelined the pandemic response team and overrode their recommendations. What he did was disgraceful and shameful.
 
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John_Martin:
“Banning all travel from Europe — or any other part of the world —" DID NOT STOP IT.
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This is the only support you have given behind your label of “trumpvirus”.

So, are you saying that Trump is to blame for China Virus deaths in the United States because Trump banned foreign travel?
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You post this after the Bob Woodward revelations of trump admitting his deceptions?
Trumpvirus, not China virus.
Your fellow citizens are dying at massively higher rates because of Trump’s deception to lull you out of your health concerns and your vote.
And you defiantly refuse to consider this out of weird pride that trump likes you. You will be a “loser” to him if you die or are debilitated by the “invisible enemy”.
 
@John_Martin:
Thanks for the specifics. That’s a meaningful answer that leads to constructive dialog.

If you feel that way, I bet you’re glad that Pelosi, Biden, the leftist media, or the leaders of New York were not in charge in January or February:


Nancy Pelosi was doing her own tour of Chinatown as late as Feb. 24.
No gloves and no hand sanitizer were in sight.
Pelosi was not only shaking hands and spending time in crowds, but she was also urging folks to flock to Chinatown.
“We want to be vigilant about what is out there in other places. We want to be careful about how we deal with it, but we do want to say to people, ‘Come to Chinatown, here we are — we’re, again, careful, safe — and come join us.

”When the president instituted a ban on travel from China, where the virus originated and quickly raged out of control while state-controlled Chinese media downplayed it, leftists were decrying the actions of Trump and others who tried to contain the risk by cutting it off at the source.
One such was detractor was fellow Democrat Joe Biden, who tweeted just one day after the travel ban went into effect, “We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering.”


New York City mayor Bill De Blasio said that they’re “telling people to not avoid restaurants, not avoid normal things that people do."
"If you’re not sick, you should be going about your life,” the mayor said.


Queens state Senator John Liu said the virus has not only caused “unreasonable fears,” but he asserted that there is no reason to anyone to panic or avoid the activities in Chinatown or anywhere else.

NYC Health Commissioner Dr. Barbot said, “The risk for New Yorkers of the coronavirus is low, and our preparedness as a city is very high."
And that residents should, “come together, know the information and share that information.” But she warned, “rumors can be as dangerous as any virus.”

Chair of the Health committee on the NYC council, Mark D. Levine tweeted February 9, 2020: In powerful show of defiance of #coronavirus scare, huge crowds gathering in NYC’s Chinatown for ceremony ahead of annual #lunarNewYear parade. Chants of “be strong Wuhan!” If you are staying away, you are missing out!"

Here’s what some of the leftist media was saying at the time Trump banned travel from China at the end of January:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...a15166-4444-11ea-b5fc-eefa848cde99_story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...n-aggressive-government-response-coronavirus/


https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...ins-make-coronavirus-seem-scarier-than-it-is/
 
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LeafByNiggle:
Trump is to blame
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John_Martin said:
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Again, you’re saying it’s “Trump’s fault”, but with no specifics about what he should have done differently. This is kind of a pattern with leftists.

Can either of you come up with even ONE SPECIFIC example of what Trump should have done different?
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I mentioned numerous things. If you need to see it in list form:
  1. Do not contradict your pandemic response team.
  2. Do not tell people it is no worse than the flu.
  3. Do not make unrealistically optimistic claims.
  4. Do not sow doubt by saying that people who wear masks just hate you.
  5. Do not deride people for their looks when they wear masks.
  6. Do give a consistent message encouraging the public on what they can do to slow the spread.
  7. Do not politicize the virus by blaming it on Democrats.
  8. Do set an example for your followers by wearing a mask more often.
  9. Do use the Defense Production Act to speed up delivery of testing supplies.
  10. Do encourage testing and contact tracing.
 
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If you removed my post please remove the racist posts calling it by the name “China Virus”.
That is vile hatred and white supremacy.
 
John_Martin said:
My post was removed.
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fyi I’ve never flagged a post in any CAF, so whatever post was removed, it wasn’t me. (While I disagree with your terminology, I’m a big-time free speech guy, so I don’t have a problem with your terminology as long as rebuttals are permitted.)
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
Do not contradict your pandemic response team.
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Wow!

Because I’m pleased to see you’ve apparently did a complete 180 on some of the issues below, I’ll let you slide on the holes in #s 2 through 10. (But the only problem is that I’m not sure which Fauci you’re speaking of, given that he’s changed his mind so many times.)



https://www.newsmax.com/finance/mikefuljenz/fauci-trump-chinese-tourist/2020/03/24/id/959787/
“One of the things we did right was very early cut off travel from China to the United States,” Fauci told MSNBC last week. “Because outside of China, where it originated, the countries in the world that have it are through travel, either directly from China or indirectly from someone who went someplace and then came to that particular country. Our shutting off travel from China and, more recently, travel from Europe, has gone a long way to not seeding very, very intensively the virus in our country.”



And, best of all, if you believe in your #1, then I’m guessing that you now agree with me on a primary premise of this thread:

 
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Dear readers,
Do not be misled by the list of right-wing reports listed above supposedly showing that our public health officials are all over the map with their recommendations. The boring fact is that recommendations do change as new information becomes available. Since SARS/Cov-2 is a brand new virus, the medical community has worked very hard to learn as much as they can as fast as they can, sometimes risking their own lives in the service of the public. This has resulted in phenomenally rapid advances in treatment protocols, saving thousands of lives in the process. I have nothing but the highest respect for our medical community and the work they do. Part of that work is the development and updating of recommendations for the rest of us to do our part. I am very grateful that they have kept up with the latest information, and adjusted the recommendations accordingly. It is very disrespectful to these hard-working public servants to denigrate their work because their recommendations evolve over time.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
It is very disrespectful to these hard-working public servants to denigrate their work
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Dear readers:
Please keep in mind the comment above when you read comments in this forum that disrespect and denigrate the work of hard-working public servant President Trump.

Is it ok to denigrate the work of hard-working public servant President Trump, whose actions were way ahead of all the Democrats (Democrats didn’t take it seriously, as proven in a few of my posts above) regarding the potential seriousness of Covid-19?

Just think of that statement every time you witness the leftist media disrespecting Trump.
 
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Having said that,you clearly laid out the fact that,Trump relying on these experts has done just this.
 
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