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hi clingtothecross just in case you missed this i’ll put it up again.
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Odell
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Good one I bet he want reply to this. He may dodge it the best he can. He will do what he claims we are doingFunny, I haven’t brought up Hebrews 6 in my discussions with you. Regarding Galatians 5. Who is he talking to?
Galatians 1:6
6I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;
According to you, only the elect are called by the grace of Christ.
how bizarre:shrug:
Like to see him wiggle out of this
I know you must really like showing me how I “fail” in my interpretation of these passages. Ilike when you directly respond to my posts and rebuttals.
I would like a direct response from him as well
Ill be waiting this one will be interesting:coffeeread:
Oh and by the way Im one of the elect as well.
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mikeledes
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Cling2Cross, I have had very little time to discuss your many posts today. They are long and deal with a number of issues, which I intend to address when I have the time. I will not be online tomorrow. 
God willing, I will be back on Thursday. Regarding the verses in John 6 and 10, I once again respond with the words of James Akin:
**John 6:37 (Not cast out)
First, in John 6:37, Jesus does say: “All that the Father gives me will come to me; and him who comes to me I will not cast out.”
True. I don’t doubt that for a moment. If you come to Jesus, he won’t cast you out. But that doesn’t mean you can’t leave. In fact, you can. In order to understand this, we need to know a little bit about the Greek of this passage. I recently found a good summary of the translation issue. It said:
“Throughout this passage an important truth is presented that again might be missed by many English translations. When Jesus describes the one who comes to him and who believes in him [3:16, 5:24, 6:35, 37, 40, 47, etc.], he uses the present tense to describe this coming, believing, or, in other passages, hearing or seeing. The present tense refers to a continuous, on-going action. The Greek contrasts this kind of action against the aorist tense, which is a point action, a single action in time that is not on-going. . . . The wonderful promises that are provided by Christ are not for those who do not truly and continuously believe. The faith that saves is a living faith, a faith that always looks to Christ as Lord and Savior.” (White, 10-11).
That summary was offered by my opponent tonight, Mr. James White, in his little book, Drawn By the Father: A Summary of John 3:35-45.
So by my opponent’s own admission, “The wonderful promises that are provided by Christ are not for those who do not . . . continuously believe.” What this text says is that anyone who continuously comes to Jesus will not be cast out by Jesus. That’s absolutely true. What my opponent needs is a passage which says that anyone who is ever a true Christian will always come to Jesus and never stop coming. But this passage doesn’t say anything like that.
John 6:38-39 (Father’s will)
Next, Jesus says, “For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day.”
True. It is the Father’s will that he lose none of those given to him. It is also the Fathers will that nobody commit murder and adultery, but that doesn’t mean that people don’t commit murder and adultery. They do. You have to distinguish between which divine will you are talking about, the will by which he desires what will happen and the will by which he decrees what will happen. In this passage, Jesus is talking about the former, and we know that because some who have been given to him are lost. In John 17:9-12, Jesus says: “I am praying for . . . for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. While I was with them . . . I have guarded them, and none of them is lost but the son of perdition, that the scripture might be fulfilled.”
So of those the Father gave to Jesus, Jesus lost Judas in order that the Scripture might be fulfilled. In one sense God wants all who are given to Jesus to persevere, but in another sense God allows some of them, like Judas, to not persevere.
John 6:40 (Raise up)
Next Jesus says: “For this is the will of my Father, that every one who sees the Son and believes in him should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
True. But the key verbs in this verse are present tense, so what it actually says is: “For this continues to be the will of my Father—that everyone who continues to see the Son and who continues to believe in him should continue to have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” My opponent gets no support here.
John 6:44 (Draws him)
Finally Jesus says: “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
Again, absolutely true. But again the Greek word for “can” is present tense and the Greek word for “come” is inceptive second aorist, meaning to begin to continually come. And the Greek for “draw” is inceptive first aorist, indicating the Father beginning and continuing to draw him.
So what the passage says is: “No one can come and keep coming to me unless the Father who sent me draws and keeps drawing him, and I will raise him up at the last day.”
That is absolutely true. If the Father keeps drawing you, you will keep coming. But it doesn’t say anything about the Father not drawing some people only for a time.**
To be continued…
God willing, I will be back on Thursday. Regarding the verses in John 6 and 10, I once again respond with the words of James Akin:**John 6:37 (Not cast out)
First, in John 6:37, Jesus does say: “All that the Father gives me will come to me; and him who comes to me I will not cast out.”
True. I don’t doubt that for a moment. If you come to Jesus, he won’t cast you out. But that doesn’t mean you can’t leave. In fact, you can. In order to understand this, we need to know a little bit about the Greek of this passage. I recently found a good summary of the translation issue. It said:
“Throughout this passage an important truth is presented that again might be missed by many English translations. When Jesus describes the one who comes to him and who believes in him [3:16, 5:24, 6:35, 37, 40, 47, etc.], he uses the present tense to describe this coming, believing, or, in other passages, hearing or seeing. The present tense refers to a continuous, on-going action. The Greek contrasts this kind of action against the aorist tense, which is a point action, a single action in time that is not on-going. . . . The wonderful promises that are provided by Christ are not for those who do not truly and continuously believe. The faith that saves is a living faith, a faith that always looks to Christ as Lord and Savior.” (White, 10-11).
That summary was offered by my opponent tonight, Mr. James White, in his little book, Drawn By the Father: A Summary of John 3:35-45.
So by my opponent’s own admission, “The wonderful promises that are provided by Christ are not for those who do not . . . continuously believe.” What this text says is that anyone who continuously comes to Jesus will not be cast out by Jesus. That’s absolutely true. What my opponent needs is a passage which says that anyone who is ever a true Christian will always come to Jesus and never stop coming. But this passage doesn’t say anything like that.
John 6:38-39 (Father’s will)
Next, Jesus says, “For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day.”
True. It is the Father’s will that he lose none of those given to him. It is also the Fathers will that nobody commit murder and adultery, but that doesn’t mean that people don’t commit murder and adultery. They do. You have to distinguish between which divine will you are talking about, the will by which he desires what will happen and the will by which he decrees what will happen. In this passage, Jesus is talking about the former, and we know that because some who have been given to him are lost. In John 17:9-12, Jesus says: “I am praying for . . . for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. While I was with them . . . I have guarded them, and none of them is lost but the son of perdition, that the scripture might be fulfilled.”
So of those the Father gave to Jesus, Jesus lost Judas in order that the Scripture might be fulfilled. In one sense God wants all who are given to Jesus to persevere, but in another sense God allows some of them, like Judas, to not persevere.
John 6:40 (Raise up)
Next Jesus says: “For this is the will of my Father, that every one who sees the Son and believes in him should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
True. But the key verbs in this verse are present tense, so what it actually says is: “For this continues to be the will of my Father—that everyone who continues to see the Son and who continues to believe in him should continue to have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” My opponent gets no support here.
John 6:44 (Draws him)
Finally Jesus says: “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
Again, absolutely true. But again the Greek word for “can” is present tense and the Greek word for “come” is inceptive second aorist, meaning to begin to continually come. And the Greek for “draw” is inceptive first aorist, indicating the Father beginning and continuing to draw him.
So what the passage says is: “No one can come and keep coming to me unless the Father who sent me draws and keeps drawing him, and I will raise him up at the last day.”
That is absolutely true. If the Father keeps drawing you, you will keep coming. But it doesn’t say anything about the Father not drawing some people only for a time.**
To be continued…
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mikeledes
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The quote in the above post is from
ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/LOSS.htm
These are also excellent websites that address these verses:
fwponline.cc/v23n1/johnsixPt1_witzki.html
geocities.com/bobesay/electionjohn1.html
john15.net/pd4x.php?r=arm_john6
While I do not consider myself an Arminian and disagree with Arminians on certain points, I believe that their analysis of John 6 and 10 is pretty good. When I have the chance, I will add my own :twocents: , looking at them from a distinctly Catholic perspective, particularly in terms of predestination/ the eternal decrees of God.
The only thing that I ask is that you do not overwhelm me with verses. I think you have pretty much covered all your bases and have used all of the verses you generally use to defend your case. I am aware of their existence and will address each one when I have the time. If there is something new, I will appreciate it.
I hope you and all the others participating in this thread have a blessed day.
God Bless,
Michael
ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/LOSS.htm
These are also excellent websites that address these verses:
fwponline.cc/v23n1/johnsixPt1_witzki.html
geocities.com/bobesay/electionjohn1.html
john15.net/pd4x.php?r=arm_john6
While I do not consider myself an Arminian and disagree with Arminians on certain points, I believe that their analysis of John 6 and 10 is pretty good. When I have the chance, I will add my own :twocents: , looking at them from a distinctly Catholic perspective, particularly in terms of predestination/ the eternal decrees of God.
The only thing that I ask is that you do not overwhelm me with verses. I think you have pretty much covered all your bases and have used all of the verses you generally use to defend your case. I am aware of their existence and will address each one when I have the time. If there is something new, I will appreciate it.
I hope you and all the others participating in this thread have a blessed day.
God Bless,
Michael
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Odell
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Thanks mike I learn so much from you. Hope he responds to this.
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mikeledes
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Thanks and God bless you.
Let’s see how many posts I have to respond to by Thursday. 
They keep growing and growing and growing. God Bless,
Michael
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Pax
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It is pretty clear from the context of the passage that the offenders were initially justified. This is what makes their offense so utterly serious. Part of the passage supports this by saying:
" Forsaking the right way they have gone astray; they have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing,…"[2 Peter:15-16]
Please note the word forsaking. To forsake means the following:
: to renounce or turn away from entirely
synonyms; see abandon
So these people have renounced and turned away from the way of truth and “they have gone astray.” I have numerous English translations of the bible and all of them make it clear that the individuals referred to in the passage were on the right road and then left it. They were not Once Saved always Saved. They were on the road of righteousness and left it.
Please be advised that this verse does not support OSAS. This verse was written by John for the express purpose of warning Christian believers about false teachers that have gone out in the spirit of anti-Christ. It simply does not support OSAS. If anything it denies it. Let’s look at the verse in context.
1 John 2:18-25
“Children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come; therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out, that it might be plain that they all are not of us. But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all know. I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and know that no lie is of the truth. Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also. Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he has promised us, eternal life.”
This passage of scripture is telling us the following:
- The anti-Christ is coming and is already working.
- These anti-Christs are not to be listened to because they are false teachers.
- They are recognized as false teachers because they have left the Church and its teachings. They even deny that Jesus is the Christ.
- If they were not false teachers in the spirit of anti-Christ they would have continued in the fellowship of the church, but since they have left they are therefore easily recognized as false teachers.
- The believers have already been given the truth and know the truth. There is no need for them to be taught something new.
- No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.
- The word abide means “remain(s)” and John says: "Let what you heard from the beginning abide[remain] in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides[remains] in you, then you will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he has promised us, eternal life.
This passage is a denial of OSAS and in no way supports it.
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mikeledes
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I’ve been incredibly busy. I would love to post in this thread, but work and life keeps getting in the way. Actually, this is my first post of the day! God willing, I will be able to respond to your challenge tomorrow. In the mean time, may you and your family be richly blessed in Christ.
God Bless,
Michael
Actually, this is my first post of the day! God willing, I will be able to respond to your challenge tomorrow. In the mean time, may you and your family be richly blessed in Christ. God Bless,
Michael
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“Whosoever surely meaneth me, O surely meaneth me, yes, surely meaneth me, whosoever surely meaneth me - Whosoever meaneth me!” :harp:
What would happen if someone came to Christ who God didn’t want saved? He’d probably forgive them.
Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
14 Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
15 If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.
17 Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal.
The Bible says “it is not God’s will that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9) How then can God pick and choose who will come to Him?
Here is an interesting verse:
Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first , and the first last : for many be called , but few chosen .
Many are called, but few are chosen. That word interpreted called, kletos, means “invited”, and that word interpreted chosen, ekletos, means “elect”.
So many are invited, but few are chosen. Therefore, I think God offers His kingdom to “whosoever” will, while at the same time there are elect which have been specifically chosen by God to great purposes for their lives that they may serve Him. John the Baptist, for example, was called to service to God from the womb.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
What would happen if someone came to Christ who God didn’t want saved? He’d probably forgive them.
Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
14 Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
15 If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.
17 Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal.
The Bible says “it is not God’s will that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9) How then can God pick and choose who will come to Him?
Here is an interesting verse:
Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first , and the first last : for many be called , but few chosen .
Many are called, but few are chosen. That word interpreted called, kletos, means “invited”, and that word interpreted chosen, ekletos, means “elect”.
So many are invited, but few are chosen. Therefore, I think God offers His kingdom to “whosoever” will, while at the same time there are elect which have been specifically chosen by God to great purposes for their lives that they may serve Him. John the Baptist, for example, was called to service to God from the womb.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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NotWorthy
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What does “believeth” mean? Does it have anything to do with believing in His teachings and following them? Does it mean, if Jesus built a Church, that we follow that Church, and thus, follow Him?
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“Whosoever surely meaneth me, O surely meaneth me, yes, surely meaneth me, whosoever surely meaneth me - Whosoever meaneth me!” :harp:
What would happen if someone came to Christ who God didn’t want saved? He’d probably forgive them.
An “elect” can be someone who God doesn’t want save?I don’t follow you at all. You chose a beautiful reading from Ezekial 18:21-28, which BTW is today’s reading for the mass. This reading is about how much God loves us, and wants us to turn away from sin. It says God takes no pleasure in punishing man, but if someone does not turn away from sin, he will surely die, be thrown into the fire.
Psalm 51 acknowledges that God wants our hearts, not our burnt offerings.
Numerous, numerous examples could be given from the OT and NT.
From all this, you pick apart ONE verse from Matthew to prove your theology of predestination.
- He/man, I don’t interpret this to mean women are excluded.
- Although you seem to have good grasp of Greek, do you have a good grasp on how Jesus *meant *this wording? He was speaking to Jews in the 1st Century AD. In order to understand the meaning of a verse, we have to understand the audience, it’s culture.
- I was a French major in college. One of the trickiest things a tranlator must do is translate the meaning, and not literalistly.
- Conclusion: I trust not a 20th Century translator, not a 16 th Century translator, who comes up with a different meaning than has been taught by reputable theologians in the Apostolic Tradition.
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mikeledes
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I haven’t forgotten this thread. I’ve been incedibly busy. Many good points have been raised that I want to address. In order to do so, I need the time and the concentration. Right now, I have neither. Hopefully I will be able to post by Tuesday, God willing.
I hope you all have a blessed weekend.
God Bless,
Michael
I’ve been incedibly busy. Many good points have been raised that I want to address. In order to do so, I need the time and the concentration. Right now, I have neither. Hopefully I will be able to post by Tuesday, God willing.I hope you all have a blessed weekend.
God Bless,
Michael
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mikeledes
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It’s refreshing to see a Protestant that’s not a Calvinist in these forums.“Whosoever surely meaneth me, O surely meaneth me, yes, surely meaneth me, whosoever surely meaneth me - Whosoever meaneth me!” :harp:
What would happen if someone came to Christ who God didn’t want saved? He’d probably forgive them.
Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
14 Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
15 If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.
17 Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal.
The Bible says “it is not God’s will that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9) How then can God pick and choose who will come to Him?
Here is an interesting verse:
Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first , and the first last : for many be called , but few chosen .
Many are called, but few are chosen. That word interpreted called, kletos, means “invited”, and that word interpreted chosen, ekletos, means “elect”.
So many are invited, but few are chosen. Therefore, I think God offers His kingdom to “whosoever” will, while at the same time there are elect which have been specifically chosen by God to great purposes for their lives that they may serve Him. John the Baptist, for example, was called to service to God from the womb.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
God Bless,
Michael
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fbl9
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…wakey wakey
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Cling2Cross
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Can I ask you a question that will put you in a corner…
We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him. (1 John 5:18 NAS95)
What does it mean?
Rather than come out and ask me if I never sin…you really need to pray and ask what it means.
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Cling2Cross
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I will save myself some time here…
We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the **wicked one **does not touch him. (1 John 5:18 NKJV)
5:18 Victory over sin and Satan is the third Christian certainty (3:9; Rom. 6:15–22). himself. This word is not in the best manuscripts. The better reading in the original language is “keeps him,” referring to the fact that God protects the believer. wicked one. This is a reference to Satan. does not touch him. John uses this word only here and in John 20:17. The word suggests “to lay hold of” or “to grasp” in order to harm. Because the believer belongs to God, Satan must operate within God’s sovereignty and cannot function beyond what God allows, as in the example of Job (Job 2:5; Rom. 16:20). While Satan may persecute, tempt, test, and accuse the believer, God protects His children and places definite limits on Satan’s influence or power (2:13; John 10:28; 17:12–15).
MacArthur, John Jr: The MacArthur Study Bible. electronic ed. Nashville : Word Pub., 1997, c1997, S. 1 Jn 5:18
C2C
We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the **wicked one **does not touch him. (1 John 5:18 NKJV)
5:18 Victory over sin and Satan is the third Christian certainty (3:9; Rom. 6:15–22). himself. This word is not in the best manuscripts. The better reading in the original language is “keeps him,” referring to the fact that God protects the believer. wicked one. This is a reference to Satan. does not touch him. John uses this word only here and in John 20:17. The word suggests “to lay hold of” or “to grasp” in order to harm. Because the believer belongs to God, Satan must operate within God’s sovereignty and cannot function beyond what God allows, as in the example of Job (Job 2:5; Rom. 16:20). While Satan may persecute, tempt, test, and accuse the believer, God protects His children and places definite limits on Satan’s influence or power (2:13; John 10:28; 17:12–15).
MacArthur, John Jr: The MacArthur Study Bible. electronic ed. Nashville : Word Pub., 1997, c1997, S. 1 Jn 5:18
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fbl9
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re 1St. John 5:18 it is Jesus Christ who through His mercy that keeps us.not free from sin but free in forgiveness, it is our love for God that keeps us from sin where do we get that love from? God Himself. you seem to be implying that when one is born again they will never sin.have you answered the question i posed to you yet.
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Cling2Cross
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Did I write 1 John 5:18?? And I do not have to answer your question with my own words for there is nobody that does not sin. SO…I guess that leaves nobody as a child of God if this is the way that you would like to interpret that scripture.
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Cling2Cross
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If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. (1 John 1:8-10 NKJV)
My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. (1 John 2:1 NKJV)
Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. (Hebrews 7:25 NKJV)
Jesus said to him, “He who is bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean, but not all of you.” (John 13:10 NKJV)
I may sin…but I am yet justified by faith and not “in my sins” for when I was justified by faith, I became dead to the law…
Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another–to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. (Romans 7:1-4 NKJV)
just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered; Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin.” (Romans 4:6-8 NKJV)
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth. (Romans 8:33 KJV)
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