Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

[MaryT777]

True. It is tragic that Martin’s violence and choice to confront Zimmerman led to the shooting.

It’s tragic Zimmerman wasn’t prudent and just call the police and let them handle the situation instead of himself. Given his prior run ins with the law and violence it’s amazing he had a weapon to begin with.

 

[Tucker_R]

Those weren’t band-aid injuries. Yeesh.

Yes, those bandaid injuries to the back of the head are killers.

Why, a kid can even skin his knee falling off the bike on asphalt, imagine that.

 

[Tucker_R]

That was the new black panther party that did that right ? Why hasn’t he been arrested ??

Hiding. His life has been threatened and he has a bounty on his head.

 

[MaryT777]

Zimmerman’s injuries would also support that a stronger man, Martin would defeat an obese shorter person.

All you say is you believe unsworn testimony of someone who if found guilty would go to jail and possibly for a very long time, plenty of motivation to say anything to one’s own benefit.

Yes indeed. GZ is not known for his credibility from the beginning. He was not truthful about the amount of money he had during the bond hearing. He was not truthful regarding his knowledge of self defense laws. He Aced the class that taught the self defense laws
and he knew exactly what to say for his own benefit.

Otherwise, why not be honest about your knowledge of self defense laws in your state?
Makes no sense unless you used that knowledge to save yourself given the other man is dead.

 

[Tucker_R]

And breaking into/casing houses while having his purple drank.

Without the gun he probably wouldn’t confront anybody and Tryvon would have been at home eating skittles.

 

[Tucker_R]

Either way he should not have had his head bashed into the pavement. Thankfully he did have a gun. I would’ve done the same thing.

Either way he would not have been shot to death.

 

[MaryT777]

No. What the law provides is that a person defending themselves from an attack is justified in using lethal force in self-defense— until the point where his attacker is no longer a threat. If that person continues to use force after the other person is no longer a threat, he becomes the aggressor.

If for example, you punched me and I counter attack and you decide to run away, I am not justified in pursuing you and using lethal force.

Had Martin, ceased beating Z and simply gotten up, Z would not have been justified in pulling his gun.

The problem is with this scenario is we don’t know why Martin did as such. Did he see the gun? It might appear as such given Z said he was either (depending on what account)

1. Reaching for it
   2: Touched it.
   TM may have seen the gun and was defending himself.

At the very least GZ could have identified himself as Neighborhood Watch which he admits he did not do. Why not?

That’s because he was a want to be police officer and his application was denied at least in one state. He didn’t want to be simply neighborhood watch. He wanted to apprehend and detain his "suspect’ so no more “punks” expletive would get away.

 

[livingwordunity]

Yes indeed. GZ is not known for his credibility from the beginning.

And TM is?

 

[maryjk]

That’s because he was a want to be police officer and his application was denied at least in one state. He didn’t want to be simply neighborhood watch. He wanted to apprehend and detain his "suspect’ so no more “punks” expletive would get away.

It is incredible that you know Zimmerman’s mind as well as you do.

 

[Tucker_R]

Agreed… guess ppl think if they can change ppl’s minds that the verdict will get overthrown.

This thread should be renamed as the never ending beating of a dead horse thread.

 

[SwizzleStick]

It’s tragic Zimmerman wasn’t prudent and just call the police and let them handle the situation instead of himself. …

It is tragic that Zimmerman wasn’t prescient.

…Given his prior run ins with the law and violence it’s amazing he had a weapon to begin with.

If he hadn’t had his weapon with him, Zimmerman may have been more seriously injured or even killed. If that had happened instead, none of us would have ever heard of Zimmerman or Martin.

 

[SamH]

At the very least GZ could have identified himself as Neighborhood Watch which he admits he did not do. Why not?

Because GZ was attacked before he could?

Remember Martin was sent to live with his father because his mother had lost all control over him. He was expelled from school, he was looking at burglary charges and assault charges for punching a bus driver for no apparent reason. The idea that he would attack someone while he was high because he thought he was being dissed is not a streatch.

 

[MaryT777]

And breaking into/casing houses while having his purple drank.

TM broke into houses? He was casing houses according to who? George Zimmerman,
like he’s remotely credible. No. Can’t recall how much money he has, if he has taken a class or not on defense laws, etc etc etc.

He was trying to decide what to do because it would be freaky to have someone
stalk you around AND get out of their car at one point.

Freaky indeed.

Purple drank? What? Hmmmmmmm. Ok then.

 

[SamH]

It is tragic that Zimmerman wasn’t prescient.

If he hadn’t had his weapon with him, Zimmerman may have been more seriously injured or even killed. If that had happened instead, none of us would have ever heard of Zimmerman or Martin.

Because Martin would have left him to die in the street while he ran home to play video games and get high?

 

[MaryT777]

And TM is?

Dead.

 

[SamH]

Purple drank? What? Hmmmmmmm. Ok then.

Look it up.

 

[SwizzleStick]

That was the new black panther party that did that right ? …

Yes.

…Why hasn’t he been arrested ??

My guess? Because the powers that be want the white Hispanic to pay, so no one will be arrested.

 

[MaryT777]

It is incredible that you know Zimmerman’s mind as well as you do.

A review of the tape notes Zimmerman own words call TM a suspect;
these expletives punks always get away. Those are Z’s words not mine. Have you heard the tape? It’s pretty self explanatory.

He did want to be a police officer but was rejected in one state. They can’t state why.

I (personal opinion here) might guess his prior run ins with assaulting a police officer while drunk didn’t help the cause. (Nice to have Dad as a judge) Also, prior history of trolling around a woman who needed to get a restraining order against him probably didn’t help either.

I thought that sate (that made a wise decision) was Virginia but I can’t recall.

 

[maryjk]

TM broke into houses? He was casing houses according to who? George Zimmerman,
like he’s remotely credible. No. Can’t recall how much money he has, if he has taken a class or not on defense laws, etc etc etc.

Casing houses based on the fact that he previously had stolen goods on him. And he refused to say where he got said goods.

He was trying to decide what to do because it would be freaky to have someone
stalk you around AND get out of their car at one point.

Freaky indeed.

Purple drank? What? Hmmmmmmm. Ok then.

I guess he decided to pound Zimmerman’s head.

 

[SwizzleStick]

…He didn’t want to be simply neighborhood watch. He wanted to apprehend and detain his "suspect’ so no more “punks” expletive would get away.

Speculation. My speculation is that Zimmerman found himself in a bad situation that he had no way of knowing would befall him and then had to act to defend his own life.