Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

[MaryT777]

Yes.

My guess? Because the powers that be want the white Hispanic to pay, so no one will be arrested.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory but then ‘guess’ is the operative word.

 

[maryjk]

That’s because he was a want to be police officer and his application was denied at least in one state. He didn’t want to be simply neighborhood watch. He wanted to apprehend and detain his "suspect’ so no more “punks” expletive would get away.

It is incredible that you know Zimmerman’s mind as well as you do.

A review of the tape notes Zimmerman own words call TM a suspect;
these expletives punks always get away. Those are Z’s words not mine. Have you heard the tape? It’s pretty self explanatory.

I didn’t mention or quote anything about Martin being a suspect.

He did want to be a police officer but was rejected in one state. They can’t state why.

He applied to be a police officer. That is a fact. The rest is simply your opinion of what Zimmerman thinks. You have no idea that he had a problem being a neighborhood watch.

Nothing has been said about apprehending Martin. So why would you assume that Zimmerman wanted to apprehend Martin??

 

[MaryT777]

Speculation. My speculation is that Zimmerman found himself in a bad situation that he had no way of knowing would befall him and then had to act to defend his own life.

What did Zimmerman expect to happen? Just follow someone around and stalk them and expect what? Stay in your car, call the police and stop acting like a police officer.
He had a history of trolling though so it’s his nature. Just need to be a responsible
follower. Trolling was the word of his previous girlfriend.

My speculation is he wanted to “prove himself” worthy of police officer by detaining a suspect. This because he was rejected already to the police force.

Too bad he did shoot TM… How embarrassing this would have been if TM had lived;
TM walking home unarmed. He would have learned a lesson before someone’s life was taken.

 

[SwizzleStick]

Sounds like a conspiracy theory but then ‘guess’ is the operative word.

Well, the fact is that charges with irrefutable evidence of voter intimidation during the 2008 election were dismissed against the New Black Panthers due to the powers that be, so it is probably a pretty good guess. We know many want Zimmerman to pay, even though he has been to trial and been found not guilty, but the DOJ has stepped up to try to extract another version of justice and that is no conspiracy theory.

 

[MaryT777]

I didn’t mention or quote anything about Martin being a suspect. He applied to be a police officer. That is a fact. The rest is simply your opinion of what Zimmerman thinks. You have no idea that he had a problem being a neighborhood watch.

Nothing has been said about apprehending Martin. So why would you assume that Zimmerman wanted to apprehend Martin??

You may not have not have mentioned anything about Martin being a suspect. The tapes of Z’s call for "help: to the police are explicitly clear.

 

[MaryT777]

Well, the fact is that charges with irrefutable evidence of voter intimidation during the 2008 election were dismissed against the New Black Panthers due to the powers that be, so it is probably a pretty good guess. We know many want Zimmerman’s to pay, even though he has been to trial and been found not guilty, but the DOJ has stepped up to try to extract another version of justice and that is no conspiracy theory.

I disagree with your "pretty good guess regarding the New Black Panthers. It’s still a guess and speculation.

I’m not surprised you disagree with the DOJ as well. That is indeed a fact though
it’s unlikely but we’ll see what happens.

 

[SwizzleStick]

What did Zimmerman expect to happen? …

I have no idea what Zimmerman expected to happen. I still find Martin’s violent reaction surprising, especially if he was afraid as claimed by some. Martin could have gone home, gone to any other home with a light on if he was afraid to go home, called 911 with the phone in his hand, hid, run, yelled, whatever. Instead he chose to attack Zimmerman. Very odd, indeed.

 

[maryjk]

I have no idea what Zimmerman expected to happen. I still find Martin’s violent reaction surprising, especially if he was afraid as claimed by some. Martin could have gone home, gone to any other home with a light on if he was afraid to go home, called 911 with the phone in his hand, hid, run, yelled, whatever. Instead he chose to attack Zimmerman. Very odd, indeed.

Not odd at all for someone like Martin.

And what do I mean by “like Martin?” Someone that has been suspended from school numerous times. Someone that has been caught with stolen property. Someone caught with burglary tools. Someone that takes pictures of themselves smoking pot. Someone that talks about making “Drank” or “lean.”

 

[SwizzleStick]

I disagree with your "pretty good guess regarding the New Black Panthers. It’s still a guess and speculation…

Okay.

…I’m not surprised you disagree with the DOJ as well. That is indeed a fact though it’s unlikely but we’ll see what happens.

Holder may have just been trying to placate the uninformed, since it appears that nothing much will come of it, double jeopardy, civil suits not possible and all that, but yes we shall see. Nothing would surprise me due to the corruption in the current regime.

 

[SamH]

I disagree with your "pretty good guess regarding the New Black Panthers. It’s still a guess and speculation.

I’m not surprised you disagree with the DOJ as well. That is indeed a fact though
it’s unlikely but we’ll see what happens.

Not a guess.

NPR confirms it.

npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/03/26/149399082/new-black-panther-party-offers-10k-bounty-for-george-zimmerman

As for having doubts about the DOJ, isn’t that just practicing good judgement?

 

[MaryT777]

It is tragic that Zimmerman wasn’t prescient.

If he hadn’t had his weapon with him, Zimmerman may have been more seriously injured or even killed. If that had happened instead, none of us would have ever heard of Zimmerman or Martin.

It’s simply tragic Z simply didn’t do what a prudent citizen would do. Act like a citizen and not a police officer. Stay in your car and wait for the police to come to a small neighborhood with three streets. Goodness it’s not like it’s a metropolis the police needed to investigate.

If he did, he may not have been injured at all (The police could have come and questioned TM and taken care of it) One man might be alive.

 

[SamH]

It’s simply tragic Z simply didn’t do what a prudent citizen would do. Act like a citizen and not a police officer. Stay in your car and wait for the police to come to a small neighborhood with three streets. Goodness it’s not like it’s a metropolis the police needed to investigate.

If he did, he may not have been injured at all (The police could have come and questioned TM and taken care of it) One man might be alive.

Because only criminals are allowed tro roam free right?

 

[MaryT777]

I have no idea what Zimmerman expected to happen. I still find Martin’s violent reaction surprising, especially if he was afraid as claimed by some. Martin could have gone home, gone to any other home with a light on if he was afraid to go home, called 911 with the phone in his hand, hid, run, yelled, whatever. Instead he chose to attack Zimmerman. Very odd, indeed.

Zimmerman should have learned from his previous girlfriend, you simply can’t stalk people.
She used the word “trolling.” He should have now gotten the point he’s not the one to do that.
It’s for police officers.

Martin’s violent reaction? He saw the gun and “reached for it” or “touched it” whichever day Zimmerman chooses to say either/or…what do you expect. You’re up against someone with a gun. Just let them shoot you without a blink of the eye.

 

[MaryT777]

Okay.

Holder may have just been trying to placate the uninformed, since it appears that nothing much will come of it, double jeopardy, civil suits not possible and all that, but yes we shall see. Nothing would surprise me due to the corruption in the current regime.

Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are uniformed. Does it?

Corruption in the current regime sounds like another conspiracy theory.

 

[BroomWagon]

Speculation. My speculation is that Zimmerman found himself in a bad situation that he had no way of knowing would befall him and then had to act to defend his own life.

He may have been neighborhood watch but he didn’t even know the 3 streets in the complex though he’d lived there for some time.

That’s why he left his car, to try and find out which of the 3 streets the police needed to come to.

 

[BroomWagon]

Because GZ was attacked before he could?

Remember Martin was sent to live with his father because his mother had lost all control over him. He was expelled from school, he was looking at burglary charges and assault charges for punching a bus driver for no apparent reason. The idea that he would attack someone while he was high because he thought he was being dissed is not a streatch.

Well, Zimmerman’s ex says he pushed and struck her. Zimmerman was charged with 2 felonies on law enforcement. Pity he was able to get out of those charges by enrolling in an alcohol program. So he certainly isn’t a saint either.

 

[BroomWagon]

No. What the law provides is that a person defending themselves from an attack is justified in using lethal force in self-defense— until the point where his attacker is no longer a threat. If that person continues to use force after the other person is no longer a threat, he becomes the aggressor.

If for example, you punched me and I counter attack and you decide to run away, I am not justified in pursuing you and using lethal force.

Had Martin, ceased beating Z and simply gotten up, Z would not have been justified in pulling his gun.

Cite the exact statute rather than paraphrasing your understanding,.

Not sure if what you say per Florida on “attack” is so.

We do not know for sure who was the attacker in this case.

776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or
(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
(d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.
(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
(5) As used in this section, the term:
(a) “Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
(b) “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
(c) “Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.

leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html

 

[lcburgundy]

What did Zimmerman expect to happen? Just follow someone around and stalk them and expect what?

Um…not to be assaulted? Are we to the point as a society where we feel an appropriate or typical response to someone getting annoyed is just to slug the offender in the face and knock them down? Really?

Stay in your car, call the police and stop acting like a police officer.

I know, now Zimmerman has been caught getting out of his car to assist people involved in a traffic crash. When will he learn not to be concerned about others? Will his reign of terror ever end?

He had a history of trolling though so it’s his nature. Just need to be a responsible
follower. Trolling was the word of his previous girlfriend.

Ah yes, that paragon of all that is truthful and right, the jilted ex. It’s sad when this forum is reduced to repeating what amounts to little more than gossip.

My speculation is he wanted to “prove himself” worthy of police officer by detaining a suspect. This because he was rejected already to the police force.

And so does that mean because he helped those people in the car crash, he was proving himself worthy of being an EMT? It’s amazing what huge leaps of inference can achieve.

Too bad he did shoot TM… How embarrassing this would have been if TM had lived;
TM walking home unarmed. He would have learned a lesson before someone’s life was taken.

That assumes GZ would have survived the encounter unarmed. If he hadn’t, we would never have heard of either of them. ETA: Though, in a perverse way, had GZ been unarmed and been killed in the encounter, I guess he would have learned his lesson.

 

[BroomWagon]

Um…not to be assaulted? Are we to the point as a society where we feel an appropriate or typical response to someone getting annoyed is just to slug the offender in the face and knock them down? Really?

I know, now Zimmerman has been caught getting out of his car to assist people involved in a traffic crash. When will he learn not to be concerned about others? Will his reign of terror ever end?

Ah yes, that paragon of all that is truthful and right, the jilted ex. It’s sad when this forum is reduced to repeating what amounts to little more than gossip.

And so does that mean because he helped those people in the car crash, he was proving himself worthy of being an EMT? It’s amazing what huge leaps of inference can achieve.

That assumes GZ would have survived the encounter unarmed. If he hadn’t, we would never have heard of either of them.

Who was the other man or woman who helped victims in the crash? Oh, we don’t even know. It’s an every day occurrence.

 

[MaryT777]

He may have been neighborhood watch but he didn’t even know the 3 streets in the complex though he’d lived there for some time.

That’s why he left his car, to try and find out which of the 3 streets the police needed to come to.

Good point. I personally believe he knew exactly where he was and went to follow Martin more. This suspect wasn’t getting away.

No wonder the HOA had to settle a wrongful death suit with Martin’s parents.
How sad the errors of that night by Zimmerman.