Really - if TM was in a fight with a police officer and TM was dishing out blows after he had knocked the officer down, and then went for the police officer’s gun, you don’t think the police officer would use his gun to stop the attack?Great point; a police officer not a citizen is the operative word. A police officer would never have shot TM.
Do as such…what? And what state would that be? I again cannot understand what you’re trying to say.… and actually if you see a gun you can do as such in the state Z was in.
not very familiar with officer involved shooting are you ?Great point; a police officer not a citizen is the operative word. A police officer would never have shot TM.
I caught her, this is what caught my attention, “But as the law was read to me”I can not vouch this “blog” is authentic for Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara but I don’t see why it would not be.
omaralawblog.com/index.php/8-blog/7-why-zimmerman-juror-b-29-is-a-model-juror
This juror who is spoken about seems to be of Puerto Rican heritage, I guess “black Hispanic” and mother of 8 children I gather. So, from what little I know, it does seem she did her duty.
Interesting reading.
gzlegalcase.com/ Related
Police officers identify themselves. Surely you knew this.not very familiar with officer involved shooting are you ?
A Police officer would have identified themselves.Great point; a police officer not a citizen is the operative word. A police officer would never have shot TM.
… and actually if you see a gun you can do as such in the state Z was in.
III. SAFETY
A. For your safety patrolling is not allowed.
B. Never attempt to make an arrest unless advised to do so by a police official.
C. Never check or inspect a suspected crime scene. Always wait for the arrival
of an officer and follow his instructions.
D. Never confront or accuse a person suspected of a criminal offense. Wait
for the arrival of an officer. The suspect may be kept under surveillance
if, in doing so, you do not put yourself or others in any type of jeopardy
or peril.
E. No alcoholic beverages may be consumed within a reasonable time prior to
Neighborhood Watch functions or activities.
F. The safety of the members of the Neighborhood Watch Group is of paramount importance.
Now, let’s make this clear, the rules don’t need to be the same in Sanford Florida. I believe the “liasion” between the NW and Police/Sherrif’s department said something about carrying a gun was a matter that was spoken about privately. I’m sure the exact quote exists with her testimony.IV OPERATIONS
A.Guns are definitely not allowed to be carried by watch members during their
participation in Neighborhood Watch business. This also includes knives,
clubs, …
I know, as I have been told many times, that I was not on this jury. But I was on a jury. We were sequestered. It was a capital case. For us, two young children died. (Really young. Not a teen just a year from legal adulthood.)I caught her, this is what caught my attention, “But as the law was read to me”
Live, to me, there seemed to be a little doubt as to how clear she was and how much clarification was given. The clarification given to the jury was for this juror apparently. Conscience I believe. she felt pressured, I could see it going either way, might be more rare to holdout than we think. . .
Chris Tutko, director of Neighborhood Watch for the National Sheriffs’ Association, said Zimmerman broke some cardinal rules.
First, he approached a stranger he suspected of wrongdoing.
“If you see something suspicious, you report it, you step aside and you let law enforcement do their job,” Tutko said. “This guy went way beyond the call of duty. At the least, he’s overzealous.”
Second, Zimmerman carried a handgun. Police departments and sheriff’s offices that train volunteers advise them never to carry weapons – though Zimmerman broke no laws by doing so because he has a concealed-weapons permit.
“There’s no reason to carry a gun,” Tutko said.
Related story.
I have a feeling we are not going to be seeing a whole lot of people volunteering for neighborhood watch organizations in the future. Much better to just defend your own home, if you’re there. If you’re in a neighborhood where there are a lot of break-ins, move if you can. If you can’t, get really good locks for your doors and windows.A Police officer would have identified themselves.
We have covered here that from the rules alone in Sanford, FL., an NW patrol would not have “confronted” a person.
Yet, I would think an NW Patrol could still Identify Oneself.
I don’t readily see a uniform and universal set of rules for Neighborhood Watch.
But here is a document for an NW in Springfield Oregon.
ci.springfield.or.us/police/NW%20application.pdf
Now, let’s make this clear, the rules don’t need to be the same in Sanford Florida. I believe the “liasion” between the NW and Police/Sherrif’s department said something about carrying a gun was a matter that was spoken about privately. I’m sure the exact quote exists with her testimony.
Edit: NW watch handbook for Sanford removed: sanfordfl.gov/error.aspx?err=1
But they removed a whole lot of information pertaining to the Zimmerman trial.
Zimmerman was not on neighborhood watch at the time.I have a feeling we are not going to be seeing a whole lot of people volunteering for neighborhood watch organizations in the future. Much better to just defend your own home, if you’re there. If you’re in a neighborhood where there are a lot of break-ins, move if you can. If you can’t, get really good locks for your doors and windows.
Come to think of it, that first alternative is exactly what we have been seeing for decades now, isn’t it? Earn as much as you and your spouse can, buy as expensively as possible so you can live in a suburb that’s distant from most crime and, the suburb being entirely composed of well-to-do people, can afford pretty pervasive police protection.
And some wonder why the population of Detroit dropped from nearly two million to some 800,000 in recent decades. I’m sure that’s not the only reason, but I’m sure it’s a big one.
“I’m disappointed that people are trying to put blame onto the program when it’s not the program’s fault,” said Wendy Dorival, who coordinates volunteer programs, including Neighborhood Watch, for the Sanford police. “Neighborhood Watch is not what took his life away.”
NW is not to blame however, being a Neighborhood Watch Captain, one would have thought Zimmerman could have known better at how to control the situation. He may have but we don’t know for sure. I tend to think he should not be armed pursuing a teenager, it seems an accident waiting to happen.
Sounds right to me. I thought both the jurors seemed emotionally charged, I’m not sure why they wanted to speak at this specific time.I know, as I have been told many times, that I was not on this jury. But I was on a jury. We were sequestered. It was a capital case. For us, two young children died. (Really young. Not a teen just a year from legal adulthood.)
When we started the trial, many of us WANTED to find the defendant guilty. Someone HAD to be responsible. Babies had died.
But when we got in instructions, we were told that we could not find the defendant guilty for that reason. There had to be evidence of a crime. And if we didn’t believe there was evidence of a crime, we couldn’t find her guilty.
It was hard. We thought someone had to pay. And if not the defendant who?
But you agree, when you are chosen, to follow the law. So we did. And it sounds like this woman did too.
Fine if so. Still, I think this event’s aftermath will be an object lesson to people who might have otherwise participated in neighborhood watch, and it will be a learning experience for the insurer that insured the homeowner’s association as well. I feel pretty confident this neighborhood will eventually do away with it if it hasn’t already.Zimmerman was not on neighborhood watch at the time.
Our city police just announced a couple days ago that they are setting up a neighborhood watch program. Should be interesting to see if it gets off the ground.I have a feeling we are not going to be seeing a whole lot of people volunteering for neighborhood watch organizations in the future.
and what does that have to do with the post i was responding toPolice officers identify themselves. Surely you knew this.
and do you believe that people don’t attack cops if the cop identify themselves ?Great point; a police officer not a citizen is the operative word. A police officer would never have shot TM.
… and actually if you see a gun you can do as such in the state Z was in.
The Detroit riots were almost 40 years ago and the auto unions have some to do with the decline of Detroit. Along with Democrat rule.Fine if so. Still, I think this event’s aftermath will be an object lesson to people who might have otherwise participated in neighborhood watch, and it will be a learning experience for the insurer that insured the homeowner’s association as well. I feel pretty confident this neighborhood will eventually do away with it if it hasn’t already.
But again, there are always the wealthy suburbs where there are so many police that they fight the boredom by stopping you to give you directions if you are obviously from out of town and show the slightest hesitancy in deciding where to turn. I have actually had police in those places do that, there are so many of them. Friendly guys. Young and athletic looking. Good uniforms, perfect cars. The latest Glocks on their belts.
No lunchy old George Zimmerman trying to keep his neighbors’ houses from getting robbed.
You pretty much have to have two incomes and really work hard to live in those places, unless you inherited wealth. But people do.
The story of American urban life. Live in the suburbs if you can, and the more upscale, the better.
The fact that there were not widespread disturbances, hopefully shows we are growing out of this, that people look at the Trial and figure the Justice System worked or the Verdict was fair.1980 - Miami Riot 1980, May 17–19, Miami, Florida
1982 - Miami Riot 1982, Overtown Riot, December 1982, Miami, Florida
1989 - Overtown Riot 1989, January 16–18 - an Hispanic Miami police officer shoots and kills a speeding black motorcyclist in the Overtown section of Miami, starting three days of rioting. Miami, Florida
1989 - Tampa Riots, February 1989, Tampa, Florida
1996 - St. Petersburg, Florida Riot 1996, October 1996, St. Petersburg, Florida
Here’s an article about guns and self-defense. It’s long but well-researched.No testimony because GZ shoot and killed TM. My contention is that GZ is guilty of manslaughter because he was negligent in profiling and following TM.
Again, let’s get back to my main claim that the real crime is in the Florida state for allowing an amateur law enforcement personnel to carry a concealed weapon. With the privilege to carry a concealed weapon, comes added responsibility, such as not profiling and tracking someone. Do we really want a society full of gunslinging vigilantes?
As much as equating a citizen with a CCW permit with a police officer.and what does that have to do with the post i was responding to
A lot of people won’t.and do you believe that people don’t attack cops if the cop identify themselves ?
FYI, Iowa is among the top ten most peaceful states in the country although it has been slipping in the past 20 years. Maine is #1 most peaceful while Louisiana is #1 most violent in crime.Our city police just announced a couple days ago that they are setting up a neighborhood watch program. Should be interesting to see if it gets off the ground.
I bolded the most relevant point here…Chris Tutko, director of Neighborhood Watch for the National Sheriffs’ Association, said Zimmerman broke some cardinal rules.
I find it interesting that you are demanding sources for others claims but you have yet to substantiate anything you claim with anything more than speculation…Please quote the CCC and try directly relating it to advocating the use of concealed weapons as a means to self-defense in untrained citizens.
*Matthew 5:39
But I say to you not to resist evil: but if one strike thee on thy right cheek, turn to him also the other: *
What’s the use of having a bible if you do not intend to follow its maxims?
Would love to know what statute you think would allow a person to try to take a holstered gun from a legal gun owner in the name of self-defense… I am pretty sure one doesn’t exist in any state.Great point; a police officer not a citizen is the operative word. A police officer would never have shot TM.
… and actually if you see a gun you can do as such in the state Z was in.