Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

[BroomWagon]

But didn’t the forensic pathologist indicate that TM was on top in the altercation and that GZ was receiving sustained pounding? Usually when one person is “on top” that indicates that person is doing the majority of the damage.

I agree but that is not the same thing as coming to the conclusion that Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman however, the fact that we don’t know for sure is probably grounds enough to say one would NOT be able to convict George Zimmerman.

Martin, strong, trim, Zimmerman, heavyset. In a physical altercation, it is clear who would have the upper hand.

Fact is, we basically do know for all intents and purposes, Martin socked Zimmerman in the nose and broke, partially broke it.

I’d say we don’t know for certain if Martin attacked Zimmerman but Zimmerman could not be convicted based on what we know.

 

[BroomWagon]

So you think the witnesses lied that testified that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and pounding him MMA style?

What is your theory as to how Zimmerman received his injuries? They were self inflicted?

And the medical examiner testimony that Martin had no physical injuries other than the gun shot wound and to his right hand, which is consistent with the injuries Zimmerman had to his face? And the additional testimony that the gun was shot against Martins clothes but those clothes were 3-4 inches away from Martin’s body which is consistent with Martin being on top of Zimmerman?

All of what you write does not mean Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman. We all know that George Zimmerman suffered from lacerations, that does not translate into being attacked, it translates into there having been a physical altercation.

 

[Cider]

All of what you write does not mean Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman. We all know that George Zimmerman suffered from lacerations, that does not translate into being attacked, it translates into there having been a physical altercation.

Well if someone is beating the **** out of me, I consider them to be attacking me.

Did you mean you don’t know who initiated the physical confrontation?

Legally it doesn’t matter who initiated it, so it’s a moot point.

 

[BroomWagon]

Well if someone is beating the **** out of me, I consider them to be attacking me.

So any fight between 2 people where one person gets the upper hand, you will consider the person dominating the fight to have attacked. Good luck with that!

 

[fix]

Because rapist are allowed to roam freely while innocent people are required to cower in their homes and cars?

Or they have to be of equal weight and height for some odd reason.

 

[BroomWagon]

Though the “Not Guilty” verdict is acceptable, a problem with the law would be if one is losing a fight, one can pull a gun to win it. That does not seem fair if one were to pick a fight with someone, one is losing it, so one uses a gun as an equalizer.

 

[Tucker_R]

smh

Weak… I hope the tea party gains ground… dump the dem party. I appove ( not praise ) the verdict. I am Pro-Life… and no… I did NOT vote for obama. The fake ‘facade’ as you call it… are the Catholics who call themselves Catholic who voted for obama.

Most people who were praising the verdict call themselves PRO LIFE! That is just appalling!

It looks like there are members here who are some kind of hybrid right wing conservatives who put on a fake fascade of being Christians when the fact of the matter is that they are atheists just like the nazis or that political group called dump the TEA, ditch the PARTY!

 

[fix]

So any fight between 2 people where one person gets the upper hand, you will consider the person dominating the fight to have attacked. Good luck with that!

Well yes. If one person is beating another person’s head into cement that is an attack. It is excessive force.

 

[fix]

Though the “Not Guilty” verdict is acceptable, a problem with the law would be if one is losing a fight, one can pull a gun to win it. That does not seem fair if one were to pick a fight with someone, one is losing it, so one uses a gun as an equalizer.

The equalizer is needed to stop a man from killing you.

 

[meltzerboy]

I don’t recall white people rioting in the streets when O.J. Simpson was acquitted.

Another travesty of justice IMO. I regret not rioting…

 

[Cider]

Though the “Not Guilty” verdict is acceptable, a problem with the law would be if one is losing a fight, one can pull a gun to win it. That does not seem fair if one were to pick a fight with someone, one is losing it, so one uses a gun as an equalizer.

Right, it’s more fair if the one who is in imminent danger of great bodily harm or death just end up brain damaged or dead. That’s basically what you are endorsing. How dare the person pummeling someone not win.

That does pretty much sum up many peoples arguments. They Zimmerman had it coming and he should just taken it like a man. How dare he end up saving himself.

 

[BroomWagon]

Well yes. If one person is beating another person’s head into cement that is an attack. It is excessive force.

We have the witness saying he saw MMA “ground and pound”, again, it seems George Zimmerman’s word is that his head is being beaten into the sidewalk. That is not absolutely proven.

One should not be able to pick a fight and if losing, then use a gun and claim self-defense. We don’t know if that happened but we don’t know if Zimmerman’s version is true either.

 

[Cider]

One should not be able to pick a fight and if losing, then use a gun and claim self-defense. We don’t know if that happened but we don’t know if Zimmerman’s version is true either.

Facts not established, but speaking hypothetically and not about this case:

you confirmed what I said. Some people think that you deserve to die or be brain damaged if the other person can justify attacking you. You should have no legal recourse to save yourself. You can try and flee, but that’s it.

I completely and utterly disagree.

Even the Church says that we have a right to defense of self and it doesn’t qualify it by saying, but if someone else perceives that you deserve a beating then just take it no matter the outcome.

 

[Tucker_R]

Why didnt tm call the police ? He had a phne… thats what I woulda done.

I agree she shouldn’t go to jail. However, a fuller analogy would be a frail woman who follows a possible rapist with a gun, rather than just reporting the rapists and sitting in the car until the police arrive.

 

[Tucker_R]

Its looking like this might start a race war between Hispanics and Blacks. smh

And this:

I see plenty of new reasons for more CCW laws.

 

[Tucker_R]

:sad_yes:

Anyone who beats a person and says this is for Trayvon, in addition to assult, should also be charged with a hate crime.

 

[Tucker_R]

Another travesty of justice IMO. I regret not rioting…

 

[Yerusalyim]

I edited my post as you were posting your reply.

Anyhow, if I was on the jury, that fact alone would tell me Zimmerman instigated the altercation. I’d have argued he’s guilty.

How so? Following someone is NOT illegal…and all indications are that Zimmerman stopped following Martin when that request was made.

 

[Tucker_R]

Are you serious ? smh

Stevie Wonder Boycotting Florida Following Zimmerman Verdict (Video)

hollywoodreporter.com/news/stevie-wonder-boycotting-florida-zimmerman-585760

 

[pnewton]

What if she thought he was a rapist, shot him, and he never was a rapist or suspect of a rape at all; he had the same color of skin as the man who did rape others in the neighborhood but it wasn’t the man she shot.

Then you let the jury decide the facts of the case and accept the verdict.