Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

[livingwordunity]

Agreed. It was only then that race was dragged into the issue. Much of the “racial” issues were fictitious from the beginning. How many "news: stories were edited to make it appear that Zimmerman said things he didn’t? How many films/pictures/videos were edited to drive the race issue that didn’t exist?

Like showing a picture of Martin as a 12 year old when he was a much larger (and tattooed) 17 year old.

 

[Cider]

I’m not sure why I even bother responding to people that never took the time to actually inform themselves of the evidence and testimony of the case and instead continue to repeat inaccurate information and opinions not based on any actual evidence in the case.

 

[Dawnia]

Like showing a picture of Martin as a 12 year old when he was a much larger tattooed 17 year old.

The MSM is still using the old picture too.

 

[livingwordunity]

One of the things that doesn’t make sense is how this has been framed in terms of race.

According to the ones who insist that this is racism:

Obama - Black father/White mother = Black

Zimmerman - White father/Hispanic mother = White

Can someone please explain this?

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[Tucker_R]

Whatever works in the MSM favor. Along with the other race baiters.

One of the things that doesn’t make sense is how this has been framed in terms of race. According to the ones who insist that this is racism:

Obama - Black father/White mother = Black

Zimmerman - White father/Hispanic mother = White

Can someone please explain this?

.

 

[MaryT777]

Zimmerman lived in a neighborhood plagued by burglaries; he had to comfort a neighbor after she had to hide in her closet with her children because 3 burglars came into her house.

Sorry, some people *are *punks. They do bad things to other people.

And George Zimmerman can tell by looking at someone they are a punk and up to no good?

 

[Faith1960]

Because as you know ONLY WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACISTS! Think I made this up? Comes from the mouth of our Attorney General and in not so many words from POTUS, Sharpton, and Jackson along with the howling harpies in the House who claimed that GZ “hunted Trayvon down lahhhhk a DOOOOOWWWGGGG!”

Further not only can whites be called “crazy a** crackah” according to the Prosecution’s witness, it’s not racist. Nor are such terms as honkey, or whitey or trailer trash. Remember ONLY WHITES ARE RACIST.

Further blacks may use the N word with impunity. Heck didn’t Trayon call GZ a N*****? They call their women “hoes” and “b*tches…” but that’s not mysogynist.

You see for the Left, hyporcrisy is raised to an art form. It’s fine for thee but no for me!

Lisa

I admit to watching too much HLN leading up to and during this trial. Have any of you been watching Dr Drew and listen to that racist “Shaharazad Ali?” I really think they book her on the show to stir things up. Then that big-mouth Frank Taffee (sp) gets called a racist. The tv people love this stuff.

 

[livingwordunity]

And George Zimmerman can tell by looking at someone they are a punk and up to no good?

If he were a racist he would have used a word other than “punk”. Here’s how to test this. Did the KKK usually refer to blacks as “punks”?

 

[Faith1960]

And George Zimmerman can tell by looking at someone they are a punk and up to no good?

Well, he hit he nail on the head THAT time.

 

[Faith1960]

One of the things that doesn’t make sense is how this has been framed in terms of race.

According to the ones who insist that this is racism:

Obama - Black father/White mother = Black

Zimmerman - White father/Hispanic mother = White

Can someone please explain this?

.

More racism from the black community.

 

[LisaA]

I agree the police cannot be everywhere We don’t need citizens acting as police officers; They are not trained to confront or detain suspects. Would your police officer family/friends
tell a citizen to follow some guy that’s suspicious and “suspect” and looks like they are on drugs? That’s dangerous to begin with isn’t it?

I have no problem with GZ reporting suspicious behavior either. I haven’t read one post where anyone had an issue with that.

I wouldn’t go home so some guy following me now knows where I live now. That said if thought the person who was following me was telling the police these ******** always get away and I was a suspect he was following I would be terrified and don’t know what I’d do.

There is no law that says you have to go right home if you are followed. I personally think that would be creepy. I thank God I’ve never been walking through a neighborhood in the rain unarmed and followed by someone you don’t know if they are armed or not.
How terrifying.

Again you have sort of selective memory. GZ observes Martin acting suspiciously. Take it in the context of the time, the situation and the rash of burglaries in the neighborhood. GZ reports Martin to a non-emergency number. He describes the BEHAVIOR—that he’s just wandering around, looks like he’s up to no good. He does not say anything about Martin’s race until asked. He does not try to detain him or confront him. He reports the suspicious behavior and the dispatcher says police will be sent, and that GZ does not need to follow Martin. At that point he is not following Martin, nor confronting him nor detaining him. Martin could have continued home since in his own words, he no longer saw the “creepy a** crackah…” He didn’t.

I asked Coachkfan1 to put himself in GZ’s shoes or imagine being in a neighborhood that had a recent crime wave, particularly the hot burglary with the woman and baby at home. You see someone whom you would expect to be getting out of the rain, minding his business and proceeding to a specific destination but instead is meandering around, under the eves of homes, on a private path between homes or condo units of some kind.

I think that’s suspicious, don’t you? I certainly notice people in my neighborhood who don’t seem to belong and in that way I do not mean by race but by behavior. A black man can be walking his dog at midnight and I’m not paying the slightest attention because he clearly has a purpose. If I saw a young male of ANY color wandering around between the homes in this neighborhood in the middle of the day, much less on a rainy night, I would definitely take notice. I probably would report it.

Based on the testimony and that includes the PROSECUTION’S witnesses, Martin and GZ lost sight contact with each other, apparently when GZ returned to his car to report the BEHAVIOR. He did not offer up the racial description until asked and didn’t even seem sure…“he looks…uh…black…” Between the time of night and the hoodie, Martin’s race was not that apparent even to someone like GZ who seemed to be pretty observant.

You keep talking about detaining or confronting suspects. The testimony indicates that GZ DID NOT ATTEMPT TO DETAIN MARTIN and the testimony indicates that MARTIN intitiated the confrontation after GZ reported him and said he was returning to the car.

You can’t make up one part of a story and then apply that standard to this case. Yes had GZ walked up to Martin, told him STOP and asked him what he was doing, then maybe the blame for the confrontation would have shifted to GZ. But that is not what happened.

Can you step away from your preconceived notion that somehow GZ caused Martin to retaliate by “detaining” him or confronting him? There is simply no evidence of this at all.

BTW there is a great deal of information including a lot of clipped and saved FB posts, that indicate Martin was interested in MMA, in violent activity, in fighting. IOW he wasn’t just some kid on his way home with Skittles and an Ice Tea. If that had been the case, I don’t think he would have ended up dead.

Lisa

 

[livingwordunity]

Well, he hit he nail on the head THAT time.

I wonder if the rash of break-ins in the neighborhood went down after that or not.

 

[7_Sorrows]

I guess the President abandoned the pretense of being a healer and a uniter years ago. How sad.

He doesn’t defend DOMA.

He sues states who enforce their borders when he refuses to.

He is outraged at late term abortion bans.

He (supposedly) seeks to enflame race relations by going after a person found not guilty in almost record time.

How did anyone vote for him? God have mercy on America.

I wonder if he and Holder are going to bring charges against the people (90% minorities on a normal week) killed in Chicago so far in July?

homicides.redeyechicago.com/

Or does he only sue Caucasian citizens? How selectively outraged, and sad for a once proud office.

well said!

 

[april32010]

911 operators answer both lines; emergency and non emergency thus the comment.
The operator said they can’t order you to do anything. They suggest which means they do believe you should not follow someone thus the way the comment was worded…

       .... we don't need you to do that............

for liability reasons that’s all they can say.

and you know this how ?

 

[sw85]

But what suspicion did Z have of wrongdoing if it wasn’t race based? I will shut up if someone will answer that for me. I promise.

Walking through a gated community recently afflicted by a string of burglaries, looking around at various houses, while wearing dark clothes that also cover the head, at night, doesn’t count as suspicious? That evaluation may or may not have been wrong but it’s easy to see how a person could make it in good faith.

 

[livingwordunity]

Nothing counts as suspicious when people don’t care about the facts.

 

[sw85]

One of the things that doesn’t make sense is how this has been framed in terms of race.

According to the ones who insist that this is racism:

Obama - Black father/White mother = Black

Zimmerman - White father/Hispanic mother = White

Can someone please explain this?

.

In fairness, “Hispanic” isn’t a race. It’s not even an ethnicity. It’s an arbitrary word invented (or at least popularized) in the 70s to refer loosely to a language group (people from natively Spanish-speaking countries), to assign a common identity to groups of vastly dissimilar peoples in order to use them as a political blunt object with which to bludgeon opponents of the leftist establishment.

 

[Inego_de_Loyola]

And George Zimmerman can tell by looking at someone they are a punk and up to no good?

No, but he could make just such a determination by observing their behavior.

 

[maryjk]

I wonder if the rash of break-ins in the neighborhood went down after that or not.

I have wondered that too.

 

[Faith1960]

Again you have sort of selective memory. GZ observes Martin acting suspiciously. Take it in the context of the time, the situation and the rash of burglaries in the neighborhood. GZ reports Martin to a non-emergency number. He describes the BEHAVIOR—that he’s just wandering around, looks like he’s up to no good. He does not say anything about Martin’s race until asked. He does not try to detain him or confront him. He reports the suspicious behavior and the dispatcher says police will be sent, and that GZ does not need to follow Martin. At that point he is not following Martin, nor confronting him nor detaining him. Martin could have continued home since in his own words, he no longer saw the “creepy a** crackah…” He didn’t.

I asked Coachkfan1 to put himself in GZ’s shoes or imagine being in a neighborhood that had a recent crime wave, particularly the hot burglary with the woman and baby at home. You see someone whom you would expect to be getting out of the rain, minding his business and proceeding to a specific destination but instead is meandering around, under the eves of homes, on a private path between homes or condo units of some kind.

I think that’s suspicious, don’t you? I certainly notice people in my neighborhood who don’t seem to belong and in that way I do not mean by race but by behavior. A black man can be walking his dog at midnight and I’m not paying the slightest attention because he clearly has a purpose. If I saw a young male of ANY color wandering around between the homes in this neighborhood in the middle of the day, much less on a rainy night, I would definitely take notice. I probably would report it.

Based on the testimony and that includes the PROSECUTION’S witnesses, Martin and GZ lost sight contact with each other, apparently when GZ returned to his car to report the BEHAVIOR. He did not offer up the racial description until asked and didn’t even seem sure…“he looks…uh…black…” Between the time of night and the hoodie, Martin’s race was not that apparent even to someone like GZ who seemed to be pretty observant.

You keep talking about detaining or confronting suspects. The testimony indicates that GZ DID NOT ATTEMPT TO DETAIN MARTIN and the testimony indicates that MARTIN intitiated the confrontation after GZ reported him and said he was returning to the car.

You can’t make up one part of a story and then apply that standard to this case. Yes had GZ walked up to Martin, told him STOP and asked him what he was doing, then maybe the blame for the confrontation would have shifted to GZ. But that is not what happened.

Can you step away from your preconceived notion that somehow GZ caused Martin to retaliate by “detaining” him or confronting him? There is simply no evidence of this at all.

BTW there is a great deal of information including a lot of clipped and saved FB posts, that indicate Martin was interested in MMA, in violent activity, in fighting. IOW he wasn’t just some kid on his way home with Skittles and an Ice Tea. If that had been the case, I don’t think he would have ended up dead.

Lisa

The little scamp was known to call himself a “gangsta.”