Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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I don’t think anyone on this thread has suggested that Mr.Zimmerman initiated the fistfight. I’ve only heard that he justified Treyvon’s having starting it because George was “stalking” him.
It’s been said TM was wrong because he should/could have.
  1. Outrun him
    2, Found a place well lit with people (there was none)
  2. Can’t seek shelter on the porch for people don’t do that.
What can you do then; call the police and wait while someone follows you around more?
 
If someone is being followed they can duck on my porch anytime
Zimmerman has absolutely no authority to decide if someone is trying to “get out of the rain” or is suspect.
Mr.Zimmerman was perfectly reasonable in calling the police to report him as suspicious and also in keeping an eye on him till the police arrived. Are you honestly suggesting that he overstepped his authority by calling the police and following him?
 
I don’t think anyone on this thread has suggested that Mr.Zimmerman initiated the fistfight. I’ve only heard that he justified Treyvon’s having starting it because George was “stalking” him.
I don’t think so either. Doesn’t have a lot to do with your statement in the original post:
Whether or not he was secretly quite intelligent, he behaved in a foolish and violent manner that cost him his life. - Post #424
And that would be according to the defense.
 
It’s been said TM was wrong because he should/could have.
  1. Outrun him
    2, Found a place well lit with people (there was none)
  2. Can’t seek shelter on the porch for people don’t do that.
What can you do then; call the police and wait while someone follows you around more?
👍 Yes! maybe even go find a house with the light on and knock. Compared to what he did it would have been more reasonable to take ones clothes off and do the chicken dance to convince him you are too crazy to be worth messing with.
 
This has been posted in the other Zimmerman thread and it’s unclear at this point if it’s correct. That was on a Sunday which most people felt was odd and also the President
released a written statement.

So we’ll see.
Maybe it is.
 
this is usually the next step when a verdict comes down that does not favor the prosecution, it happened with OJ Simpson and other high profile cases, the next step is a civil law suit to thus go after any money that can be obtained.

an chances are the judge in a civil lawsuit would find Zimmerman guilty just to appease the mob justice mentality.

Zimmermans’ best bet now is to get as far away from Florida as he can with in the next week or so and not pop up on anyones radar for a good year or so.
 
If he is acquitted then he is acquitted, enough of this whole race issue, it tends to happens when someone who is a minority gets involved. He should just get out of there before the state comes and gets him
 
I think the bottom line is that they did not have the proof beyond a reasonable doubt that George Zimmerman committed murder.

I think Trayvon’s side has a good point that a teenage youngster walking home to his parent’s house shouldn’t end up getting killed.

I think this is a lot of misunderstanding, I’d shy away from villifying Trayvon or in fact, Zimmerman, a very sad story all around. But that’s just me.

We have both sides story. We have the final verdict, the verdict doesn’t rule so and so was this particular way.
 
I was under the impression that the shooting being ruled as self defense negates any civil recourse in Z’s state

Federal issues would be another matter.

I could be wrong though.
 
I think Trayvon’s side has a good point that a teenage youngster walking home to his parent’s house shouldn’t end up getting killed.
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No, but attacking someone for being a concerned citizen (or even for following you for a ways) is something that shouldn’t happen either. None of this should’ve happened but it did, and I am convinced based on all available evidence that it did as an indirect result of treyvon’s drug use and as a direct result of his decision to attack George Zimmerman.
 
So we have different thoughts on this thread of what to do.

Outrun the person who is following you?
I disagree vehemently with any thoughts that anyone should have to “outrun” someone who is following you.
Not everyone following someone else has good intentions. Some are actual criminals with intent to harm you. Not a bright idea to stick around and let them. 🤷
 
No, but attacking someone for being a concerned citizen (or even for following you for a ways) is something that shouldn’t happen either. None of this should’ve happened but it did, and I am convinced based on all available evidence that it did as an indirect result of treyvon’s drug use and as a direct result of his decision to attack George Zimmerman.
I think the correct verdict was reached, however, if you say you are convinced based on what you say, then one can say in turn, George Zimmerman
went to court in 2005 and 2006 for accusations of domestic violence, tussling with a police officer and speeding.
And his ex-fiance was trying to get a Restraining Order placed on him too as indicated in the article.

And per the shoving of a Law Enforcement Officer:
The charge was reduced to “resisting officer without violence” and then waived when he entered an alcohol education program.
 
This was a hate crime. Zimmerman cannot take a life just because he got scared…a little coward with a gun. Hope the Feds prosecute him. Do a crime, you should do time. This was not self defense.
 
This was a hate crime. Zimmerman cannot take a life just because he got scared…a little coward with a gun. Hope the Feds prosecute him. Do a crime, you should do time. This was not self defense.
Honestly you are merely expressing what appears to be a completely uninformed opinion. Your right of course but don’t think it’s particularly compelling. There are several threads on the subject, the information and evidence has been reviewed repeatedly. Nothing backs up what you are claiming.

Lisa
 
this is usually the next step when a verdict comes down that does not favor the prosecution, it happened with OJ Simpson and other high profile cases, the next step is a civil law suit to thus go after any money that can be obtained.

an chances are the judge in a civil lawsuit would find Zimmerman guilty just to appease the mob justice mentality.

Zimmermans’ best bet now is to get as far away from Florida as he can with in the next week or so and not pop up on anyones radar for a good year or so.
Uh no. OJ was a civil trial for wrongful death that the families filed and win after his criminal trial. This is the federal govt discuss charging GZ with federal criminal charges. Of course no one is discussing how this is a blatant violation of double jeopardy .

And the same DOJ which coordinated the protests will be COMPLETELY IMPARTIAL in making the decision to prosecute. You simply can’t claim to be American and support such an abomination of justice.
 
Zimmerman’s great grandfather was probably Black.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2143303/Is-photo-proves-George-Zimmermans-great-grandfather-black.html

There was a case where a black man was beaten in fact, by the Sanford Police Dept. and Zimmerman demanded an investigation of it.
In late 2010 and early 2011 George Zimmerman, the Hispanic Sanford, Fla., man who shot and killed 17-year-old black teen Trayvon Martin, publicly demanded discipline in a race-related beating case for at least two of the police officers who cleared him after the Feb. 26 altercation, according to records obtained by The Daily Caller.
Honestly, people should know a bit more about this case. I know emotions run high on it.
 
Even if the youth started punching Zimmerman, which no one knows, Zimmerman was essentially stalking the youth and likely violated the version of manslaughter where you are not allowed to instigate a fight and then end up killing the other guy.

I’m very concerned that this case will have a chilling effect on other states adopting a stand your ground law.
 
The jury found it as self defense… it was self defense… you are incorrect. He has been acquitted, and rightfully so.
This was a hate crime. Zimmerman cannot take a life just because he got scared…a little coward with a gun. Hope the Feds prosecute him. Do a crime, you should do time. This was not self defense.
 
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