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It is not plausible from the evidence we have.
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Robert_Sock
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Just my own personal statement to people on this thread. Let them search their souls.Exactly who on CAF is worshipping guns, rather than God? Perhaps I’m misinterpreting your intent, but that is a horribly unfair, unjust, and ridiculous statement to make
LOVE, not guns!
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Robert_Sock
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What evidence would refute such an explanation, beyond a reasonable doubt?It is not plausible from the evidence we have.
Worship God, not guns!
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NewEnglandPriest
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Injuries don’t indicate who hit/grabbed who first. We simply have no evidence for that. Zimmerman’s injuries weren’t life threatening, and he didn’t do a whole lot of medical follow up. No way to tell if he was really being beaten to death, we can only conclude that he thought he was.Where did the injuries come from?
Once again, those are pretty specific allegations that we cannot possibly know. Witnesses saw Martin on top of Zimmerman but there’s no one who says they specifically saw him bashing Zimmerman’s head into the ground. However, my original point was simply that Zimmerman was, imho, foolish and unwise in some of his actions that night. That doesn’t make him guilty of murder.None of that matters when one man is bashing another man’s head in.
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livingwordunity
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Did you know that automobiles kill more people than guns do? So are you willing to give up your car?What evidence would refute such an explanation, beyond a reasonable doubt?
Worship God, not guns!
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fix
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Someone is dead because he was bashing another man’s had in. Hardly a good act.Okay, this was not a hate crime ! Zimmerman obviously stereotyped this young man and now Trayvon is dead because he wore a hoodie on his head. Lord have mercy on us all.
Very sad for all concerned. Let us pray.
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Carlan
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I would like you all to read this statement if you haven’t already. Peace Carlan
The following statement was issued by Richard Cohen, President and CEO of the Southern Poverty Law Center, following the verdict in State of Florida v. George Zimmerman:
“They always get away.” These were the words George Zimmerman uttered as he followed and later shot Trayvon Martin – words that reflected his belief that Trayvon was one of “them,” the kind of person about to get away with something. How ironic these words sound now in light of the jury verdict acquitting Zimmerman.
Trayvon is dead, and Zimmerman is free. Who was the one who got away?
Can we respect the jury verdict and still conclude that Zimmerman got away with killing Trayvon? I think so, even if we buy Zimmerman’s story that Trayvon attacked him at some point. After all, who was responsible for initiating the tragic chain of events? Who was following whom? Who was carrying a gun? Who ignored the police urging that he stay in his car? Who thought that the other was one of “them,” someone about to get a away with something?
The jury has spoken, and we can respect its conclusion that the state did not prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. But we cannot fail to speak out about the tragedy that occurred in Sanford, Florida, on the night of February 26, 2012.
Was race at the heart of it? Ask yourself this question: If Zimmerman had seen a white youth walking in the rain that evening, would he have seen him as one of “them,” someone about to get away with something?
We’ll never really know, of course. But we can seriously doubt it without assuming that Zimmerman is a racist in the conventional sense of the word.
Racial bias reverberates in our society like the primordial Big Bang. Jesse Jackson made the point in a dramatic way when he acknowledged that he feels a sense of relief when the footsteps he hears behind him in the dead of night turn out to belong to white feet. Social scientists who study our hidden biases make the same point in a more sober way with statistics that demonstrate that we are more likely to associate black people with negative words and imagery than we are white people. It’s an association that devalues the humanity of black people, particularly black youth like Trayvon Martin.
George Zimmerman probably saw race the night of February 26, 2012, just like so many of us probably would have. Had he not, Trayvon probably would be alive today.
The jury has spoken. Now, we must speak out against the racial bias that still infects our society and distorts our perception of the world. And we must do something about it.
The Southern Poverty Law Center, based in Alabama with offices in Florida, Georgia, Louisiana and Mississippi, is a nonprofit civil rights organization dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry, and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of society. For more information, see www.splcenter.org.
The following statement was issued by Richard Cohen, President and CEO of the Southern Poverty Law Center, following the verdict in State of Florida v. George Zimmerman:
“They always get away.” These were the words George Zimmerman uttered as he followed and later shot Trayvon Martin – words that reflected his belief that Trayvon was one of “them,” the kind of person about to get away with something. How ironic these words sound now in light of the jury verdict acquitting Zimmerman.
Trayvon is dead, and Zimmerman is free. Who was the one who got away?
Can we respect the jury verdict and still conclude that Zimmerman got away with killing Trayvon? I think so, even if we buy Zimmerman’s story that Trayvon attacked him at some point. After all, who was responsible for initiating the tragic chain of events? Who was following whom? Who was carrying a gun? Who ignored the police urging that he stay in his car? Who thought that the other was one of “them,” someone about to get a away with something?
The jury has spoken, and we can respect its conclusion that the state did not prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. But we cannot fail to speak out about the tragedy that occurred in Sanford, Florida, on the night of February 26, 2012.
Was race at the heart of it? Ask yourself this question: If Zimmerman had seen a white youth walking in the rain that evening, would he have seen him as one of “them,” someone about to get away with something?
We’ll never really know, of course. But we can seriously doubt it without assuming that Zimmerman is a racist in the conventional sense of the word.
Racial bias reverberates in our society like the primordial Big Bang. Jesse Jackson made the point in a dramatic way when he acknowledged that he feels a sense of relief when the footsteps he hears behind him in the dead of night turn out to belong to white feet. Social scientists who study our hidden biases make the same point in a more sober way with statistics that demonstrate that we are more likely to associate black people with negative words and imagery than we are white people. It’s an association that devalues the humanity of black people, particularly black youth like Trayvon Martin.
George Zimmerman probably saw race the night of February 26, 2012, just like so many of us probably would have. Had he not, Trayvon probably would be alive today.
The jury has spoken. Now, we must speak out against the racial bias that still infects our society and distorts our perception of the world. And we must do something about it.
The Southern Poverty Law Center, based in Alabama with offices in Florida, Georgia, Louisiana and Mississippi, is a nonprofit civil rights organization dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry, and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of society. For more information, see www.splcenter.org.
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styrgwillidar
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No. The majority who have followed the case from day two are not taking GZs perpsective for granted. It has been shown by testimony and evidence that his story is the most plausible explanation for what occurred and consistent with all of the available evidence. This is true of just the material presented at the trial.Hey, it’s perfectly plausible, but people on this thread keep on taking GZ’s perspective for granted!
Worship God, not guns.
In addition, the social media, images and texts from the phone and Martin’s school records also are supportive of Zimmerman’s account. Given that the authorities had confiscated stolen property and a burglary tool from Martin at school, it is possible that Martin was casing the neighborhood during his stroll. While admittedly, none of this was allowed to be presented at the trial, it does lend additional credence to Zimmermans story. Many lawyers writing on the case at the time of Judge Nelson’s decision to exclude this information cited it as almost certainly a reversible error which would be overturned on appeal.
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styrgwillidar
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Worship God. Appreciate and value life. Guns are a tool which can be used to defend life, used by folks who appreciate God’s gift of life to themselves and others.…
Hey, it’s perfectly plausible, but people on this thread keep on taking GZ’s perspective for granted!
Worship God, not guns.
Valueing life and the means to preserve it is not worship.
But I think this is the problem for many. Their prejudices and preconceptions about guns and gun owners that they project onto others due their lack of understanding.
To them, Zimmerman is guilty just because he valued and appreciated God’s gift of life enough to avail himself of the opportunity to legally have the means to defend it.
The term for that is hoplophobia
Love God. Value all the gifts he has blessed you with.
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sw85
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The SPLC is a monstrous joke and they are routinely involved in the persecution of Catholics for “homophobia.”I would like you all to read this statement if you haven’t already. Peace Carlan
The following statement was issued by Richard Cohen, President and CEO of the Southern Poverty Law Center, following the verdict in State of Florida v. George Zimmerman:
“They always get away.” These were the words George Zimmerman uttered as he followed and later shot Trayvon Martin – words that reflected his belief that Trayvon was one of “them,” the kind of person about to get away with something. How ironic these words sound now in light of the jury verdict acquitting Zimmerman.
Trayvon is dead, and Zimmerman is free. Who was the one who got away?
Can we respect the jury verdict and still conclude that Zimmerman got away with killing Trayvon? I think so, even if we buy Zimmerman’s story that Trayvon attacked him at some point. After all, who was responsible for initiating the tragic chain of events? Who was following whom? Who was carrying a gun? Who ignored the police urging that he stay in his car? Who thought that the other was one of “them,” someone about to get a away with something?
The jury has spoken, and we can respect its conclusion that the state did not prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. But we cannot fail to speak out about the tragedy that occurred in Sanford, Florida, on the night of February 26, 2012.
Was race at the heart of it? Ask yourself this question: If Zimmerman had seen a white youth walking in the rain that evening, would he have seen him as one of “them,” someone about to get away with something?
We’ll never really know, of course. But we can seriously doubt it without assuming that Zimmerman is a racist in the conventional sense of the word.
Racial bias reverberates in our society like the primordial Big Bang. Jesse Jackson made the point in a dramatic way when he acknowledged that he feels a sense of relief when the footsteps he hears behind him in the dead of night turn out to belong to white feet. Social scientists who study our hidden biases make the same point in a more sober way with statistics that demonstrate that we are more likely to associate black people with negative words and imagery than we are white people. It’s an association that devalues the humanity of black people, particularly black youth like Trayvon Martin.
George Zimmerman probably saw race the night of February 26, 2012, just like so many of us probably would have. Had he not, Trayvon probably would be alive today.
The jury has spoken. Now, we must speak out against the racial bias that still infects our society and distorts our perception of the world. And we must do something about it.
The Southern Poverty Law Center, based in Alabama with offices in Florida, Georgia, Louisiana and Mississippi, is a nonprofit civil rights organization dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry, and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of society. For more information, see www.splcenter.org.
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BroomWagon
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But your interpretation still relies on Zimmerman’s version and this is why he couldn’t be convicted but first off, Martin was a young man, fast while Zimmerman is probably even obese by definition. Since we don’t have Martin’s side, we could even postulate Zimmerman picked the fight, the man in better shape ended up on top.Zimmerman had more than one gash and contusion on his head. He had multiple injuries. Do you believe that a man with a weapon readied to fire would allow someone to break his nose and bash his head on concrete more than once before firing the weapon?
Even with the witness seeing Martin likely straddling Zimmerman on top, all that means is the fitter person was on top.
I don’t think Zimmerman should have been convicted but I’ve mainly spoken up in the manner, Martin has been villified and I don’t think that is nothing more than a personal judgment by people.
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SwizzleStick
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the evidence as presented. Zimmerman’s account is supported by the evidence.But your interpretation still relies on …
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BroomWagon
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That is a good letter by the SPLC however at the same time, since they have been extremely uncharitable in their designations of people, it is taken with a grain of salt. They themselves have turned into a bit of a hate group and are definitely a voice piece for progressives. Too bad, they might have been admirable at one point in time.
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styrgwillidar
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I would like you all to read this statement if you haven’t already. Peace Carlan
The following statement was issued by Richard Cohen, President and CEO of the Southern Poverty Law Center, following the verdict in State of Florida v. George Zimmerman:
“They always get away.” These were the words George Zimmerman uttered as he followed and later shot Trayvon Martin – words that reflected his belief that Trayvon was one of “them,” the kind of person about to get away with something. How ironic these words sound now in light of the jury verdict acquitting Zimmerman.
Trayvon is dead, and Zimmerman is free. Who was the one who got away?
Can we respect the jury verdict and still conclude that Zimmerman got away with killing Trayvon? I think so, even if we buy Zimmerman’s story that Trayvon attacked him at some point.
After all, who was responsible for initiating the tragic chain of events?
You or I can pick anyplace in history as the start of the chain. Nice hyberbole but meaningless. Neither man was doing anything illegal or immoral up until the point one assaulted the other. Or I’m only allowed to get out of my car and walk in my neighborhood if I somehow have the ability to foretell whether I’ll be approached by someone.
Who was following whom?
Nobody was following anyone when the incident occurred. Z followed Martin briefly to see where he was headed, then stopped. Again, I only get to walk in my neighborhood based on what others are doing
Who was carrying a gun?
Completely and utterly irrelevant. Would it matter if Z had actually been competent at MMA and crushed Martins windpipe vice shot him— no.
Who ignored the police urging that he stay in his car?
Nobody. That never occurred, no one was ever urged to stay in their car
Who thought that the other was one of “them,” someone about to get a away with something?
Wow, a kernel of truth amongst the misdirection. Zimmerman knew burglars had been getting away. His statement to the police was more an expression of what had occurred in the past than certainty about the individual he’d seen. He never called the person a burglar, just a suspicious person he thought the police should look into.
The jury has spoken, and we can respect its conclusion that the state did not prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. But we cannot fail to speak out about the tragedy that occurred in Sanford, Florida, on the night of February 26, 2012.
Was race at the heart of it? Ask yourself this question: If Zimmerman had seen a white youth walking in the rain that evening, would he have seen him as one of “them,” someone about to get away with something?
Clearly-- YES!! Zimmerman called the police without any idea of what race Martin was. His call was based on it being unusual for someone to be walking in the rain, peering into windows, apparently not heading to a destination.
We’ll never really know, of course. But we can seriously doubt it without assuming that Zimmerman is a racist in the conventional sense of the word.
Racial bias reverberates in our society like the primordial Big Bang. Jesse Jackson made the point in a dramatic way when he acknowledged that he feels a sense of relief when the footsteps he hears behind him in the dead of night turn out to belong to white feet. Social scientists who study our hidden biases make the same point in a more sober way with statistics that demonstrate that we are more likely to associate black people with negative words and imagery than we are white people. It’s an association that devalues the humanity of black people, particularly black youth like Trayvon Martin.
Certainly, this author wants it to be about race and perceives everything as being about race. Hence they contsruct a fictional scenario vice looking at and accounting for the actual event which occurred.
George Zimmerman probably saw race the night of February 26, 2012, just like so many of us probably would have. Had he not, Trayvon probably would be alive today.
The actual incident which occurred and evidence specifically contradict this.
The jury has spoken. Now, we must speak out against the racial bias that still infects our society and distorts our perception of the world. And we must do something about it.
Nice statement, but has nothing to do with what occurred in this incident. It’s the authors bias and prejudice projected onto the event.
The Southern Poverty Law Center, based in Alabama with offices in Florida, Georgia, Louisiana and Mississippi, is a nonprofit civil rights organization dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry, and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of society. For more information, see www.splcenter.org.
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BroomWagon
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And 4 minutes where the only narrative we have is Zimmerman’s word, the word of one man and one could be the most honorary citizen in the world but it is still one man’s word.the evidence as presented. Zimmerman’s account is supported by the evidence.
You mention Martin straddling Zimmerman, this is true, it’s also true that Martin was much stronger and fitter than Zimmerman, in a physical battle, Martin would be the favorite.
And then, other evidence, no blood on Martin’s hands, now if he breaks Zimmerman’s nose, now we are at the wild theory of all the blood going down internally and none externally, thus all we know is there was not enough to convict Zimmerman.
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SamH
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Isn’t it very racist to assume that when he was referring to criminals he was also talking about black people?I would like you all to read this statement if you haven’t already. Peace Carlan
The following statement was issued by Richard Cohen, President and CEO of the Southern Poverty Law Center, following the verdict in State of Florida v. George Zimmerman:
“**They always get away.” **These were the words George Zimmerman uttered as he followed and later shot Trayvon Martin – words that reflected his belief that Trayvon was one of “them,” the kind of person about to get away with something. How ironic these words sound now in light of the jury verdict acquitting Zimmerman.
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SamH
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Source of the “no blood” claim?And then, other evidence, no blood on Martin’s hands, now if he breaks Zimmerman’s nose, now we are at the wild theory of all the blood going down internally and none externally, thus all we know is there was not enough to convict Zimmerman.
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pnewton
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I agree. I also like the statement and find little objectionable in it. We can hold varied opinions about the justice involved, as long as we accept the rule of law, which surely we can all agree is not always just. The guilty sometimes go free so that the innocent do not get unjustly punished.That is a good letter by the SPLC however at the same time, since they have been extremely uncharitable in their designations of people, it is taken with a grain of salt.
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maryjk
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It is funny that they claim to be a “law center” but can’t seem to keep the facts straight.That is a good letter by the SPLC however at the same time, since they have been extremely uncharitable in their designations of people, it is taken with a grain of salt. They themselves have turned into a bit of a hate group and are definitely a voice piece for progressives. Too bad, they might have been admirable at one point in time.
Just for starters, the police didn’t tell Zimmerman anything on the phone. The police weren’t on the phone.
In addition, since Zimmerman wasn’t sure that Martin was black, how can anyone assume that Zimmerman would have acted differently if Martin was white?
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BroomWagon
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I see there are details where people say Zimmerman did not actually call 911 but another police number but as to here:It is funny that they claim to be a “law center” but can’t seem to keep the facts straight.
Just for starters, the police didn’t tell Zimmerman anything on the phone. The police weren’t on the phone.
In addition, since Zimmerman wasn’t sure that Martin was black, how can anyone assume that Zimmerman would have acted differently if Martin was white?
When Zimmerman calls the number, the Dispatcher says “Sanford Police Department”
documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
And Zimmerman did say “He looks black” when asked if the suspicious person looked “white, black or Hispanic” from the same phone call.
But I see nothing wrong with this phone call. “They always get away”, that doesn’t mean much to me, it means “The bad guys always get away” or similar to that to me. Not a skin color.
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