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St_Francis
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Just popping in to ask this question
Didn’t Jeantel testify about the phone call? Did she tell him this during the phone and then not testify to it?
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Didn’t Jeantel testify about the phone call? Did she tell him this during the phone and then not testify to it?
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sweetcharity
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Hopefully Zimmerman will find it in heart to forgive TM for sucker punching him and causing all this trouble in the first place.My thoughts and prayers go out to support the family of Trayvon Martin. God Bless you, Trayvon, and I hope you will find it in your heart to forgive Zimmerman in purgatory.
When all this first started, I was of the opinion that Zimmerman screwed up, but based on what I have read, on this forum, my opinion has changed.
Zimmerman spotted someone that looked suspicious. He called for help and got punched in the face for his trouble.
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LisaA
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That was her report on Piers Morgan. She is not the most reliable of witnesses of course and she seemed to be the one who suggested that the reason a “creepy” guy was following Martin was as a sexual predator.
This was not brought up in the trial of course. She was a Prosecution witness and they would not have wanted that info to come out I am quite sure. The Defense couldn’t ask either because it had not been brought up on the Prosecution’s list of questions. Since this seems to be the first report of this part of the call, I suspect we will get more info about what was happening.
Jeantel is a very interesting person. I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone like her. She went into great detail about the difference between “cracka” and “cracker” and the former was NOT considered racist by dropping the “r” which seemed to fascinate Morgan. Then she launched into the reason blacks use a form of the N word, but again leaving the “r” off the end, it is not the same meaning. She claimed all of these idioms were neither black nor white but simply this generation’s language.
I think the interview is probably on YouTube. She speaks VERY slowly and it’s almost painful to watch.
Anyway yet another layer of the onion peeled away. As they said in Alice in Wonderland, it’s getting curiouser and curiouser
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Cider
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She did, she said on the witness stand that she told Martin that maybe Zimmerman was a rapist. IIRC it was during O’Mara’s cross. I watched it, and that’s what I remember anyway. I remember thinking, come on really?
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BroomWagon
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Trayvon Martin was charged with Domestic Violence two times?? Er, no.
Oh, I get it, Trayvon Martin was charged with shoving a police officer, had to go to alcohol rehab for a reduced charge… ?? Er, no.
Ah, I know, Trayvon Martin had a motion for a restraining order against him?? No, that’s not it.
I’ll get it sooner or later.
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nE333
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He is! It doesn’t matter which angle you look, he killed Trayvon… unbelievable!
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nE333
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LisaA
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I stand corrected then. This was certainly not mentioned in any of the coverage. It’s very strange overall
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BroomWagon
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Oh, I get it, we can judge Trayvon Martin about standing a few feet from a house and gather his intentions and that he is “suspicious looking”.
However, charges of beating a spouse 2 times, shoving a police officer, alchohol rehab, a motion to file a restraining order against George Zimmerman is all of a sudden off-limits. We have it.
Let’s not forget, people for various reasons a number of people can not obtain Conceal and Carry Permits for guns, like a number of vets from the Iraqi war that get psychological counseling. There are a number of other cases where people can be denied such a concealed carry permit.
So, I think there is good question as to whether this fellow should have had a gun, I wish him the best, people should respect the verdict.
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nE333
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SMH!
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LisaA
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A) There is a specific legal definition of murder. Ms Corey knows better than to use the word, particularly after the acquittal. She is an officer of the court and is insulting the judge, the jury and the entire process because her agenda did not win out in the end.He is! It doesn’t matter which angle you look, he killed Trayvon… unbelievable!
B) Zimmerman may be Martin’s killer but the term murder has a greater significance than killer. A person may kill another in an accident, inadvertently or even unknowingly. That is a big difference.
C) Ms Corey’s behavior has been outrageous. She needs to be investigated and perhaps disbarred.
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BroomWagon
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Fact as I heard it, he was not tested for alcohol, he was not given a toxicology report. So perhaps.
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Inego_de_Loyola
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Not to mention in defense of oneself or others.
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BroomWagon
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Is this a comment on a certain person??
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Darryl1958
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Charges of second-degree murder were an overreach. Politically charged interference into the justice system would explain this. As such, the only evidence is that this was a case of self-defense, and the jury reached the only verdict possible under the circumstances.
There is however the axiom that with great power comes great responsibility. Zimmerman acted responsibly by phoning the suspicious behavior in. To the extent that he got out of the car with a loaded gun though, even if he had the best of intentions of protecting his neighborhood, foresight ought to have informed him that if his suspicions were correct, there was every chance that he was dealing with an unstable person, and that therefore there was every chance that he may eventually in a position where he would have to use that gone.
Nobody but him knows exactly how the confrontation took place, but knowing that he had a great power available to him, it would have been rash of him to pursue or confront Martin too vigorously. It is perfectly legitimate for him to get out of the car and keep an eye on things. It becomes rash to the extent that a potentially unstable person such as Martin takes note of him, and the likelihood of a confrontation thereby is increased.
There is every likelihood that he was ambushed, in which case the prosecution would not even have had an argument for some form of reckless endangerment on Zimmerman’s behalf.
Nevertheless, the death of a young man is an awfully steep price to pay for preventing a potential future burglary People going around with loaded weapons do have an extra responsibility to see that they are not putting themselves in a position where they have to use them, because a non-lethal situation can quickly escalate into a horrendous loss of life.
Foolhardy behavior is not criminal behavior, and the jury were correct to not convict on all charges presented to them. Nevertheless, foolhardy behavior is not heroic either.
Only Zimmerman knows for sure if he crossed the line into incautious behavior. Having that gun saved his life. However, if it allowed him to venture into a dangerous system that he would not have dared venture into without that gun, there is a degree of recklessness involved in that too, for sure.
There is however the axiom that with great power comes great responsibility. Zimmerman acted responsibly by phoning the suspicious behavior in. To the extent that he got out of the car with a loaded gun though, even if he had the best of intentions of protecting his neighborhood, foresight ought to have informed him that if his suspicions were correct, there was every chance that he was dealing with an unstable person, and that therefore there was every chance that he may eventually in a position where he would have to use that gone.
Nobody but him knows exactly how the confrontation took place, but knowing that he had a great power available to him, it would have been rash of him to pursue or confront Martin too vigorously. It is perfectly legitimate for him to get out of the car and keep an eye on things. It becomes rash to the extent that a potentially unstable person such as Martin takes note of him, and the likelihood of a confrontation thereby is increased.
There is every likelihood that he was ambushed, in which case the prosecution would not even have had an argument for some form of reckless endangerment on Zimmerman’s behalf.
Nevertheless, the death of a young man is an awfully steep price to pay for preventing a potential future burglary People going around with loaded weapons do have an extra responsibility to see that they are not putting themselves in a position where they have to use them, because a non-lethal situation can quickly escalate into a horrendous loss of life.
Foolhardy behavior is not criminal behavior, and the jury were correct to not convict on all charges presented to them. Nevertheless, foolhardy behavior is not heroic either.
Only Zimmerman knows for sure if he crossed the line into incautious behavior. Having that gun saved his life. However, if it allowed him to venture into a dangerous system that he would not have dared venture into without that gun, there is a degree of recklessness involved in that too, for sure.
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BroomWagon
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What a contrast if wearing a hoodie, saying a guy looks like he is on drugs and standing so many feet from a home constitutes suspicious behavior.
Yet, being charged with domestic violence 2 times and let’s not forget, Zimmerman’s father is a judge, charged with shoving a police officer, alcohol rehab, all of this all of a sudden is not worthy of suspicion. Let’s just be consistent.
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Havard
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Fairly certain that ne333 is je333 (recently banned). Probably not worth getting into it with him/her.
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LisaA
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The facts are conveniently ignored by those with a preconceived conclusion regarding this case, Zimmerman’s culpability, SYG laws, CCW and other contentious issues. This is how it goes:
Zimmerman is a $%Y#%Y#%Y*#%Y*#%Y%#*
Response: The evidence is counter to your claim based on X, Y, and Z
Zimerman is a #%&(%&(#&%(#&%(&%(&%&
Response: No, this is what the evidence shows
Zimmerman is a %#&(%&(#&%(#&%(&%%&
IOW the evidence is ignored, the testimony irrelevant, the transcripts are obviously fabricated, the facts do not matter…
Looking for the beating a dead horse emoticon. I figure time to pronounce him and call for a backhoe
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Tomdstone
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Not worthy of suspicion? how do you arrive at that conclusion?
George Zimmerman "was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence — a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry a 9 mm handgun?" Did it have anything to do with his father being a judge?
rollingout.com/culture/george-zimmerman-son-of-a-retired-judge-has-3-closed-arrests/
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