Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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LisaA said:
Meltzerboy your statement “armed amateurs playing cop” and “hot tempered non-professional” are not accurate. If anything Zimmerman showed himself to be in control of his emotions. He was clearly frustrated that there had been a lot of crimes in the neighborhood. The Juror who did the interview said they were shocked at the level of crime in the area. But that frustration did not result in his cornering Martin, demanding that he stop, or shooting him for merely acting suspiciously.

Further all of the available evidence including Zimmerman’s injuries, Martin’s autopsy, the various phone calls, and re-enactments indicated that Martin could have gone home or avoided the confrontation. The map showing both of their tracks demonstrate how Martin doubled back to confront Zimmerman. Had he gone home or not confronted Zimmerman, he’d be alive today.

I think your words and your opinion are a result of where you live, your unfamiliarity with guns and CCW. It’s a different world outside of the NYC bubble and your attitude is so foreign to me just as mine and I suspect George Zimmerman’s is to you.

You can dial back and claim it’s Zimmerman’s fault for deciding to go to Target at that particular time as he would not have encountered Martin had he left ten minutes later. But pretty much everything is moot with respect to the DEATH of Martin up to the time when he confronted Zimmerman and I believe attacked him.

Again I TOTALLY understand Martin’s anger, if not rage at Zimmerman’s behavior. But that doesn’t give him license to try to bash the guy’s head in. If ANYONE in this scene demonstrated temper it was Martin, not Zimmerman. And I think his aggressiveness is the proximate cause of his death.

He could have walked into his father’s home. He didn’t

Lisa
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sweetcharity said:
Hopefully Zimmerman will find it in heart to forgive TM for sucker punching him and causing all this trouble in the first place.

When all this first started, I was of the opinion that Zimmerman screwed up, but based on what I have read, on this forum, my opinion has changed.

Zimmerman spotted someone that looked suspicious. He called for help and got punched in the face for his trouble.
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you believe what you read from people here who tend to conspire to brainwash you from their political right wing agenda? im not surprised… they only have an outer christian names but not by heart! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Tomdstone said:
Not worthy of suspicion? how do you arrive at that conclusion?
George Zimmerman "was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence — a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison.

All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry a 9 mm handgun?" Did it have anything to do with his father being a judge?

rollingout.com/culture/george-zimmerman-son-of-a-retired-judge-has-3-closed-arrests/
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Thank you for your post. I myself don’t have much else to add. However, this shows that indeed, not everything has been covered. I’ll be bowing out of this thread. Interesting read.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Charges of second-degree murder were an overreach. Politically charged interference into the justice system would explain this. As such, the only evidence is that this was a case of self-defense, and the jury reached the only verdict possible under the circumstances.

There is however the axiom that with great power comes great responsibility. Zimmerman acted responsibly by phoning the suspicious behavior in. To the extent that he got out of the car with a loaded gun though, even if he had the best of intentions of protecting his neighborhood, foresight ought to have informed him that if his suspicions were correct, there was every chance that he was dealing with an unstable person, and that therefore there was every chance that he may eventually in a position where he would have to use that gone.

Nobody but him knows exactly how the confrontation took place, but knowing that he had a great power available to him, it would have been rash of him to pursue or confront Martin too vigorously. It is perfectly legitimate for him to get out of the car and keep an eye on things. It becomes rash to the extent that a potentially unstable person such as Martin takes note of him, and the likelihood of a confrontation thereby is increased.

There is every likelihood that he was ambushed, in which case the prosecution would not even have had an argument for some form of reckless endangerment on Zimmerman’s behalf.

Nevertheless, the death of a young man is an awfully steep price to pay for preventing a potential future burglary People going around with loaded weapons do have an extra responsibility to see that they are not putting themselves in a position where they have to use them, because a non-lethal situation can quickly escalate into a horrendous loss of life.

Foolhardy behavior is not criminal behavior, and the jury were correct to not convict on all charges presented to them. Nevertheless, foolhardy behavior is not heroic either.

Only Zimmerman knows for sure if he crossed the line into incautious behavior. Having that gun saved his life. However, if it allowed him to venture into a dangerous system that he would not have dared venture into without that gun, there is a degree of recklessness involved in that too, for sure.
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Thank you for a cogent and balanced analysis. The legal talking heads are all pointing to the SP’s over reach in charging Zimmerman with 2nd Degree Murder and blowing off the Grand Jury although it was formed and apparently ready to hear the evidence. They say a Grand Jury will indict a ham sandwich so there was little chance that Zimmerman would be exonerated. But that step may have drilled down to a more appropriate charge and the prosecution could have focused on Zimmerman’s negligence or recklessness versus trying to paint him as a depraved modern day Wyatt Earp. The jury obviously did not buy that image at all.

The conclusion is that the jury DID want to hold Zimmerman accountable for Martin’s death although they concluded it was a justified act given the beating. However in not offering something that could be upheld, the SP jeopardized the case and virtually guarantied that Zimmerman would be acquitted.

Again, this is a summary of what I heard today on POTUS and other lawyer talking head type shows.
Lisa
 
BroomWagon said:
What a contrast if wearing a hoodie, saying a guy looks like he is on drugs and standing so many feet from a home constitutes suspicious behavior.

Yet, being charged with domestic violence 2 times and let’s not forget, Zimmerman’s father is a judge, charged with shoving a police officer, alcohol rehab, all of this all of a sudden is not worthy of suspicion. Let’s just be consistent.
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Suspicion of what?

Wasn’t Trayvon found with stolen goods?
 
nE333 said:
you believe what you read from people here who tend to conspire to brainwash you from their political right wing agenda? im not surprised… they only have an outer christian names but not by heart! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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BroomWagon said:
What a contrast if wearing a hoodie, saying a guy looks like he is on drugs and standing so many feet from a home constitutes suspicious behavior.

Yet, being charged with domestic violence 2 times and let’s not forget, Zimmerman’s father is a judge, charged with shoving a police officer, alcohol rehab, all of this all of a sudden is not worthy of suspicion. Let’s just be consistent.
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Yes, we should be consistent. Martins actions are relevant to the current situation. Zimmerman’s actions from 6 years ago aren’t relevant to the current incident.
 
Cider said:
She did, she said on the witness stand that she told Martin that maybe Zimmerman was a rapist. IIRC it was during O’Mara’s cross. I watched it, and that’s what I remember anyway. I remember thinking, come on really?
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LisaA said:
That was her report on Piers Morgan. She is not the most reliable of witnesses of course and she seemed to be the one who suggested that the reason a “creepy” guy was following Martin was as a sexual predator.

This was not brought up in the trial of course. She was a Prosecution witness and they would not have wanted that info to come out I am quite sure. The Defense couldn’t ask either because it had not been brought up on the Prosecution’s list of questions. Since this seems to be the first report of this part of the call, I suspect we will get more info about what was happening.

Jeantel is a very interesting person. I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone like her. She went into great detail about the difference between “cracka” and “cracker” and the former was NOT considered racist by dropping the “r” which seemed to fascinate Morgan. Then she launched into the reason blacks use a form of the N word, but again leaving the “r” off the end, it is not the same meaning. She claimed all of these idioms were neither black nor white but simply this generation’s language.

I think the interview is probably on YouTube. She speaks VERY slowly and it’s almost painful to watch.

Anyway yet another layer of the onion peeled away. As they said in Alice in Wonderland, it’s getting curiouser and curiouser
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Thanks, Lisa and Cider. I’m going out of town tomorrow and didn’t have time to check it out.
 
Dawnia said:
Yes, we should be consistent. Martins actions are relevant to the current situation. Zimmerman’s actions from 6 years ago aren’t relevant to the current incident.
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Just shows how desperate they are.
 
based on what i read so far, im not impressed with most of these posts. aren’t catholics supposed to have at least some sympathy for the dead. they’ve branded trayvon, we hardly even know him. if he was such a bad guyl, don’t you at least try to pray for his salvation? isn’t that what catholics are known for?
 
secondcoming said:
based on what i read so far, im not impressed with most of these posts. aren’t catholics supposed to have at least some sympathy for the dead. they’ve branded trayvon, we hardly even know him. if he was such a bad guyl, don’t you at least try to pray for his salvation? isn’t that what catholics are known for?
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I do pray for him, but I don’t normally advertise my prayers on the internet.
 
Tomdstone said:
Not worthy of suspicion? how do you arrive at that conclusion?
George Zimmerman "was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence — a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison.

All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone with a violent past including that of battery against an officer able to carry a 9 mm handgun?" Did it have anything to do with his father being a judge?

rollingout.com/culture/george-zimmerman-son-of-a-retired-judge-has-3-closed-arrests/
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Did you bother to read your own link? They corrected it substantially:
Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date.***

ah nothing like facts getting in the way of a good theory (with apologies to Thomas Huxley)
 
secondcoming said:
based on what i read so far, im not impressed with most of these posts. aren’t catholics supposed to have at least some sympathy for the dead. they’ve branded trayvon, we hardly even know him. if he was such a bad guyl, don’t you at least try to pray for his salvation? isn’t that what catholics are known for?
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No one on here even suggested to know where TM has ended up. This thread isn’t a prayer thread, it’s a thread about the Zimmerman verdict and whether or not people agree with that verdict and why. But since you mention it, may Trayvon Martin rest in peace.
 
secondcoming said:
:yawn::yawn::yawn: am i so much of a threat that they would do something like that? do they think im a trayvon martin to them :rotfl:

geesh…
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So this is your third username? You’re the same poster I quoted too, nE333 ? I’ll make sure and report that, I’m sure it’s against the UA.
 
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