Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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LisaA said:
He had THC in his system. Marijuana. This was one of the issues discussed by Jeantel and Piers Morgan. She said though that marijuana made him ‘go hungry’ not get aggressive.

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How consoling. Our culture is doomed.
 
Tomdstone said:
People are asking what role his father, the judge, played in getting these charges dropped. Not everyone has charges of assaulting a police officer against them.
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Not everyone has 2nd Degree Murder charges either.🤷 Still doesn’t make him guilty of said charges.
 
BroomWagon said:
Thank you for the info and though unsubstantiated, no less than the NY Daily News wrote about George’s moonshining as a security guard and there was some problem allegedly.

nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-lost-job-party-security-guard-aggressive-ex-co-worker-article-1.1053223

We don’t know if this is true but it’s another thing.

Like I said, you’ve had drivers with DWIs go out and kill someone and then people say “why did that person even have a license.” People slip through the system.
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From another source:
"In July 2005, he was arrested for“resisting officer with violence.” The neighborhood watch volunteer who wanted to be a cop got into a scuffle with cops who were questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking. The charges were reduced and then waived after he entered an alcohol education program. Then in August 2005, Zimmerman’s former fiance sought a restraining order against him because of domestic violence. Zimmerman sought a restraining order against her in return. Both were granted. "
rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/15/george-zimmerman-shouldnt-have-had-a-gun/
 
Tomdstone said:
From another source:
"In July 2005, he was arrested for“resisting officer with violence.” The neighborhood watch volunteer who wanted to be a cop got into a scuffle with cops who were questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking. The charges were reduced and then waived after he entered an alcohol education program. Then in August 2005, Zimmerman’s former fiance sought a restraining order against him because of domestic violence. Zimmerman sought a restraining order against her in return. Both were granted. "
rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/15/george-zimmerman-shouldnt-have-had-a-gun/
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Objection! Relevence?
 
Tomdstone said:
People are asking what role his father, the judge, played in getting these charges dropped. .
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If people are asking that, then those people are clueless.

His father was a magistrate, not a judge. A magistrate is empowered to hear bail hearings or to issue supoenas.

But they are not judges. The exist only to relieve judges of the daily paperwork.
 
secondcoming said:
i’ve been a member of this site for a few years now and have contributed intellectually and spiritually to the forum and people have responded and taken my posts seriously. sometimes, politics is too polarized and it is sad. yes, im still learning how to follow that CAF rules.

so anyways, im waiting for robert bay to ban me one more time. it’s so hard to argue with him… sometimes no warnings. :whistle:
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When that happens I hope you don’t take it personal. I’ve learned most of what I know about the Catholic faith from Catholic Answers and EWTN.
 
Brendan said:
If people are asking that, then those people are clueless.

His father was a magistrate, not a judge. A magistrate is empowered to hear bail hearings or to issue supoenas.

But they are not judges. The exist only to relieve judges of the daily paperwork.
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Perhaps you can name who is clueless here.

By the way, the fact the father is in the legal system, is an officer in the legal system is enough for me. If you call people clueless, I’m sorry, sweetheart deals are made all the time. I’ll bet a cop on the beat could pull some favors along with anyone who is willing to spend a lot on lawyers.

Look at those charges by the time the guy was 25 years old.

Shoving a Police Officer (Per the prior post, sounds like there could be 2 such charges)

Domestic Violence

Domestic violence

Even though, Domestic Violence is common, that is a pretty horrific thing to be accused of.
 
Tomdstone said:
The relevance is that Mr. Zimmerman should not have been allowed to carry a gun, since his previous record showed that he was involved in violent disputes.
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:doh2: Still not guilty. Charges do not prevent you from having a CCW…convictions do.
 
Tomdstone said:
The relevance is that Mr. Zimmerman should not have been allowed to carry a gun, since his previous record showed that he was involved in violent disputes.
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Surely you mean he should not have been permitted to carry a concealed weapon right? American citizens have a right to keep and bear arms. Regardless however, he was never convicted of anything, so he was permitted to carry a concealed weapon that saved his life.

Once more, what is the relevance of these charges for which he was not convicted?
 
Dawnia said:
:doh2: Still not guilty. Charges do not prevent you from having a CCW…convictions do.
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Favorable treatment happens all the time. Errors in the justice system happen all the time, the man who drives without a drivers license is not hauled in even if the police stop him and kills someone.

Let’s make sure, this George Zimmerman who people talk about who defended himself, likewise, has a judge as a father, has been accused of Domestic Violence two times, shoving an officer, treated for alcohol. Nothing wrong with knowing facts here.

After all, George Zimmerman judges someone as being suspicious who walks within a few feet of an apartment complex.

The Boston Bombers were on the Radar, were they hauled in? No.
 
Inego_de_Loyola said:
Surely you mean he should not have been permitted to carry a concealed weapon right? American citizens have a right to keep and bear arms. Regardless however, he was never convicted of anything, so he was permitted to carry a concealed weapon that saved his life.

Once more, what is the relevance of these charges for which he was not convicted?
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If he was not guilty, why was he required to undergo a rehabilitation program. Also if he was not guilty of domestic violence, why did a judge award Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, a restraining order against George, alleging domestic violence?
 
Inego_de_Loyola said:
Surely you mean he should not have been permitted to carry a concealed weapon right? American citizens have a right to keep and bear arms. Regardless however, he was never convicted of anything, so he was permitted to carry a concealed weapon that saved his life.

Once more, what is the relevance of these charges for which he was not convicted?
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What is the relevance, okay,

27 year old George Zimmerman killed a kid, by the time of 25 years old, he was brought up on charges of Domestic Violence, likely beating a woman, 2 different times, shoved a cop, sounds like a felony, got a reduced charge if he got alcohol treatment. His father as I said earlier, was a low level judge in the system and Zimmerman conceivably may have gotten some favors.

Does this sound like a responsible gun owner?
 
Dawnia said:
:doh2: Still not guilty. Charges do not prevent you from having a CCW…convictions do.
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If he was not guilty, why did the judge require him to undergo rehabilitation and why did the judge award his girl friend a restraining order against him, when she alleged domestic violence?
 
Tomdstone said:
If he was not guilty, why was he required to undergo a rehabilitation program. Also if he was not guilty of domestic violence, why did a judge award Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, a restraining order against George, alleging domestic violence?
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I. Do you know how easy restraining orders are to obtain?
II. Evidently the feeling was mutual, because he got a restraining order on her too.
III. The program was voluntary and was in lieu of proceeding with a trial. He may have been guilty or he may have found it simpler to go through the program than to defend himself at trial.
IV. Either way I disagree with the notion that a grown man should be denied a CCW permit for being drunk and disorderly when he was 19 or so.

Again how is it relevant to the Treyvon Martin affair? Thank God he had his CCW, if he hadn’t he may have been murdered on his way back from checking the address where he was to meet police.
 
BroomWagon said:
What is the relevance, okay,

27 year old George Zimmerman killed a kid, by the time of 25 years old, he was brought up on charges of Domestic Violence, #1 likely beating a woman, 2 different times#2 shoved a cop, sounds like a felony, got a reduced charge if he got alcohol treatment. #3 His father as I said earlier, was a low level judge in the system and Zimmerman conceivably may have gotten some favors.

Does this sound like a responsible gun owner?
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    *]“sounds like”,is this some new legal terminolgy ?
    *]wow,a magistrate from virginia has that kinda clout.
    fairfaxcounty.gov/courts/magistrate.htm
    In many instances, a resident’s first contact with Virginia’s Judicial System comes through the Office of the Magistrate. A principal function of the magistrate is to provide an independent, unbiased review of complaints of criminal conduct brought to the office by law enforcement or the general public. Magistrate duties include issuing various types of processes such as arrest warrants, summonses, bonds, search warrants, subpoenas, and certain civil warrants. Magistrates also conduct bail hearings in instances in which an individual is arrested on a warrant charging him or her with a criminal offense. Magistrates provide services on an around-the-clock basis, conducting hearings in person or through the use of videoconferencing systems and are available at two locations in the county:
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BroomWagon said:
What is the relevance, okay,

27 year old George Zimmerman killed a kid, by the time of 25 years old, he was brought up on charges of Domestic Violence, likely beating a woman, 2 different times, shoved a cop, sounds like a felony, got a reduced charge if he got alcohol treatment. His father as I said earlier, was a low level judge in the system and Zimmerman conceivably may have gotten some favors.

Does this sound like a responsible gun owner?
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Given the evidence the only time he used the gun as a weapon was when he was pinned to the ground and being assaulted…I’d say yes.
 
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