Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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Not as much as tm’s thats for sure.
“In her petition, Zauzo alleged that Zimmerman has previously slapped her in her mouth as well.” This shows that Zimmerman has a problem with uncontrolled violent behavior.
 
This is what YOU posted.
According to the Miama Herald, Zimmerman
was also involved in a domestic dispute with his ex-fiancée, hair salon employee Veronica Zauzo. Zauzo claimed Zimmerman was trolling her neighborhood to check on her. At her apartment, they spoke for about an hour when she asked him to leave. He asked for some photos and paperwork and she refused. A pushing match ensued and her dog jumped up and bit him on the cheek, Zauzo claimed. Zimmerman, in a petition filed the next day, painted her as the aggressor, wanting him to stay the night.
In her petition, Zauzo alleged that Zimmerman has previously slapped her in her mouth as well. According to court records, the Orange County circuit judge ordered them to stay away from each other for more than a year, but no charges were filed.
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This is what YOU posted.
In the law, sometimes people get a deal whereas Charges are Filed, but if they don’t get in trouble with the law for a period of say a year, the Charges are Dropped.

But there is no reason to try to work this out semantically.

Apparently the article says both.

“Charges filed” and “Charges not filed.”
 
See post 1463.

In this country, you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. He was never convicted so is by law innocent of any crime. It is really not that hard to grasp.
It’s not hard to grasp either that he has nonetheless, a history of run-ins with the law. He may have escaped conviction but we also have a tragedy involving him.
 
See post 1463.

In this country, you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. He was never convicted so is by law innocent of any crime. It is really not that hard to grasp.
It is difficult for me to grasp that he was innocent of assault since he was required to undergo rehab and since his fiancée was granted a restraining order. He may not have been sentenced to jail time in court, but nevertheless the court has issued orders against his violent activities. Why would a judge issue these orders against him unless there was some reason to fear his acting violently in the future?
 
In the law, sometimes people get a deal whereas Charges are Filed, but if they don’t get in trouble with the law for a period of say a year, the Charges are Dropped.

But there is no reason to try to work this out semantically.

Apparently the article says both.

“Charges filed” and “Charges not filed.”
I think what they are talking about is the Civil petition filed by the ex making the allegation of domestic abuse. No criminal charges were filed.

Criminal charges are the only way you can get a conviction. And without a conviction, there is no justification for refusing a concealed carry permit. You cannot deprive someone of their rights based on rumor and accusations. Anyone can make accusations, it doesn’t mean they are true.
 
I think what they are talking about is the Civil petition filed by the ex making the allegation of domestic abuse. No criminal charges were filed.

Criminal charges are the only way you can get a conviction. And without a conviction, there is no justification for refusing a concealed carry permit. You cannot deprive someone of their rights based on rumor and accusations. Anyone can make accusations, it doesn’t mean they are true.
Yes, and the guy who was involved in this “Self-Defense” with 4 minutes where nobody knows what was going on except for the Defendant was charged with Domestic Violence, 2 felonies of “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,”.

So, I believe it is true that this constitutes a Criminal Record nonetheless.
I know some people say, one still has a “jacket”, it indicates all things you have been brought in for, even if not convicted.

This goes a bit beyond “accusations and rumors”.
 
It is difficult for me to grasp that he was innocent of assault since he was required to undergo rehab and since his fiancée was granted a restraining order. He may not have been sentenced to jail time in court, but nevertheless the court has issued orders against his violent activities. Why would a judge issue these orders against him unless there was some reason to fear his acting violently in the future?
A restraining order is not proof that the allegations were true.

To keep a bickering couple out of his courtroom.🤷 Some judges issue civil protection orders for the asking. They have no affect on anyone’s criminal record unless they are violated, which doesn’t appear to have happened.
 
Yes, and the guy who was involved in this “Self-Defense” with 4 minutes where nobody knows what was going on except for the Defendant was charged with Domestic Violence, 2 felonies of “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,”.

So, I believe it is true that this constitutes a Criminal Record nonetheless.

I know some people say, one still has a “jacket”, it indicates all things you have been brought in for, even if not convicted.

This goes a bit beyond “accusations and rumors”.
Charges are not convictions. There is no proof that he did what he was accused of doing. Convictions are the only things that matter.
 
It’s not hard to grasp either that he has nonetheless, a history of run-ins with the law. He may have escaped conviction but we also have a tragedy involving him.
In which he was found NOT GUILTY by reason of self-defense.
 
I said we don’t know if that happened but on the other hand, we are just going with Zimmerman’s version in general, only his side has a real narrative.
I agree with this statement. We don’t know for sure what happened because we must trust Zimmerman’s self-serving statements.
Domestic Violence:

According to the Miama Herald, Zimmerman

was also involved in a domestic dispute with his ex-fiancée, hair salon employee Veronica Zauzo. Zauzo claimed Zimmerman was trolling her neighborhood to check on her. At her apartment, they spoke for about an hour when she asked him to leave. He asked for some photos and paperwork and she refused. A pushing match ensued and her dog jumped up and bit him on the cheek, Zauzo claimed. Zimmerman, in a petition filed the next day, painted her as the aggressor, wanting him to stay the night.

In her petition, Zauzo alleged that Zimmerman has previously slapped her in her mouth as well. According to court records, the Orange County circuit judge ordered them to stay away from each other for more than a year, but no charges were filed.
You should be consistant
If you don’t know what happened because you only have his statement, than you can’t trust Zauzo for the same reason.
 
I agree with this statement. We don’t know for sure what happened because we must trust Zimmerman’s self-serving statements.

You should be consistant
If you don’t know what happened because you only have his statement, than you can’t trust Zauzo for the same reason.
Can you prove that Zauzo was lying? She has her sworn statement and no one has proven that it was false. Did Zimmerman ever deny that he slapped her around?
 
… Convictions are the only things that matter.
I don’t think that convictions are the only things that matter. For example, suppose that you have stolen $1000 from a neighbor, but he is unable to convict you. You may be innocent according to a legal system, but you are still guilty of having stolen $1000 and you are bound under the moral law of God to return the money that you have stolen, even though you were never convicted of the crime.
 
It is difficult for me to grasp that he was innocent of assault since he was required to undergo rehab and since his fiancée was granted a restraining order. He may not have been sentenced to jail time in court, but nevertheless the court has issued orders against his violent activities. Why would a judge issue these orders against him unless there was some reason to fear his acting violently in the future?
It goes against the “meek Mild” Zimmerman his defense attorney portrayed him as.
 
we have a right to feel safe in our neighborhoods. neighborhood watches have been around for many years. George Zimmerman had the right to protect his neighborhood.
he had the right to report someone suspicious. unless you have lived in a neighborhood that has high crime, you do not understand how you are suspicious and you have to learn to trust your instinct in order NOT to become a victim.

I don’t know what provoked a 17 year old to punch George Zimmerman and get him on the ground and hit his head against the cement over and over.

the person posting the criminal record online. is he sure it is the same George Zimmerman? I believe Trayvon Martin had had his own run ins with the law.

what is done is done. the president and eric holder and the NAACP talk of changing laws.
how about making our neighborhoods safe again? what about the number of youths this day and age that get into trouble before they are even 15 years old? what is causing that?
I think there are other places we need to look other than changing laws so we can get the verdict we want.
 
Can you prove that Zauzo was lying? She has her sworn statement and no one has proven that it was false. Did Zimmerman ever deny that he slapped her around?
Can you prove she was telling the truth?
Zimmerman, in a petition filed the next day, painted her as the aggressor, wanting him to stay the night.
My point was not who was telling the truth but that if you are going to doubt one story you have to use the same criteria on another. If you are not going to accept one story because it is one sided than you shouldn’t accept another one sided story.
 
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