Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

[Tucker_R]

Very true.

I’d add target practice for accuracy

 

[april32010]

And there are MANY more priests who do not.

and how do you know this?

 

[Fairwinds]

yeah ,but can godzilla beat king kong ! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/Kkvsg.jpg

isn’t that the Mighty Joe Young?

 

[Fairwinds]

… Not all priests practice Catholic virtues the way they ought. If they possessed true faith, and were following the Gospels, perhaps they would not carry a gun.

please don’t trash our priests.

 

[Inego_de_Loyola]

I know the black-sheep dog does!

Lets say a quick prayer for Mr.Corapi and leave that mess out of this.

 

[adrift]

NAACP admits: Trayvon’s past ‘shaky’

I found this article to give insight into the mind set of Trayvon. Fighting was common for him according to the article. Fighting was a lifestyle that unfortunatly he had not learned was not the way to go. It was, it seems, a macho kind of thing. I think he had all the confidence that he could be this “cracker” and show him a thing or to. He didn’t try to avoid the conflict but I think he wanted it.

 

[fix]

And there are MANY more priests who do not. What’s your point relative to Catholic morals and virtues? Not all priests practice Catholic virtues the way they ought. If they possessed true faith, and were following the Gospels, perhaps they would not carry a gun.

Sounds like rash judgement.

 

[fix]

I know the black-sheep dog does!

Not the only one.

 

[styrgwillidar]

And there are MANY more priests who do not. What’s your point relative to Catholic morals and virtues? Not all priests practice Catholic virtues the way they ought. If they possessed true faith, and were following the Gospels, perhaps they would not carry a gun.

There is nothing about carrying a gun for self-defense which is incompatible with the catholic faith-

2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:

If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one’s own life than of another’s.66

To have the means to defend oneself is consistent with the faith.

 

[LisaA]

And there are MANY more priests who do not. What’s your point relative to Catholic morals and virtues? Not all priests practice Catholic virtues the way they ought. If they possessed true faith, and were following the Gospels, perhaps they would not carry a gun.

Your stand on gun control is clear although certainly not a “Catholic virtue.”

Do you not believe in any concept of self defense? We can continue to agree to disagree about who started the fight but regardless, did the other person have the right to defend himself or not? You seem to think Martin had the right to defend himself (although no evidence he was the victim rather than the aggressor) but that Zimmerman did not. If you demand that Zimmerman turn the other cheek (your interpretation is quite erroneous however) then shouldn’t Martin have also turned the other cheek?

Can you not see the complete inconsistency of your position?

Also, can you enlighten me on your feelings regarding bearing false witness? The many comments you have made about George Zimmerman are neither accurate nor charitable.
Please speak the truth and not continue the unfounded and unkind accusations regarding

Lisa

 

[adrift]

And there are MANY more priests who do not. What’s your point relative to Catholic morals and virtues? Not all priests practice Catholic virtues the way they ought. If they possessed true faith, and were following the Gospels, perhaps they would not carry a gun.

Lk. 6.3738, 4142
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mk. 4.24
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

 

[styrgwillidar]

NAACP admits: Trayvon’s past ‘shaky’

I found this article to give insight into the mind set of Trayvon. Fighting was common for him according to the article. Fighting was a lifestyle that unfortunatly he had not learned was not the way to go. It was, it seems, a macho kind of thing. I think he had all the confidence that he could be this “cracker” and show him a thing or to. He didn’t try to avoid the conflict but I think he wanted it.

I think a large component of this was two very different attitudes to conflict and fighting. Fighting as sport, and fighting as combat.

Fighting as sport has winners and losers, rules and limits.

Fighting as combat has survivors.

I don’t think Martin was trying to kill Zimmerman, I don’t think he conceived that someone would believe he was. I don’t think he understood someone who sees physical conflict as a last resort and therefore combat. Zimmerman could not read his mind, and having avoided confrontation could not conceive of someone who would attack him without being willing to go all out.

 

[ringil]

Not the only one.

I know but the black-sheep dog is so great in his “no non-sense” persona!

A priest with a gun- what’s more awesome than that. . . . . . . right??

 

[Fairwinds]

I know but the black-sheep dog is so great in his “no non-sense” persona!

A priest with a gun- what’s more awesome than that. . . . . . . right??

not much

 

[LisaA]

NAACP admits: Trayvon’s past ‘shaky’

I found this article to give insight into the mind set of Trayvon. Fighting was common for him according to the article. Fighting was a lifestyle that unfortunatly he had not learned was not the way to go. It was, it seems, a macho kind of thing. I think he had all the confidence that he could be this “cracker” and show him a thing or to. He didn’t try to avoid the conflict but I think he wanted it.

Also very sad that a member of the NAACP was chastised as being “immature” because he reported information (PUBLIC INFORMATION) that was total buzzkill for the theory that Martin was just an innocent teen with an ice tea who was gunned down by a deranged cop wannabe…their words.

Facts, those pesky things. They should be banned!
Lisa

 

[Inego_de_Loyola]

I know but the black-sheep dog is so great in his “no non-sense” persona!

A priest with a gun- what’s more awesome than that. . . . . . . right??

While he may have the sacramental character of orders, he has turned his back on his priestly ministry. It is my understanding that we aren’t to discuss him on catholic answers forum, so let’s please leave Mr.Corapi out of this.

 

[Fairwinds]

Your stand on gun control is clear although certainly not a “Catholic virtue.”
…
Lisa

its entirely possible he’s sincere about defense issues, and would not stop an assault on a child because of his scruples toward injuring her attacker.

“assault” being a euphemism.

 

[Seagirt]

You keep repeating falsehoods. It was NOT a 911, it was a non emergency line. She said that GZ didn’t need to follow Martin. I don’t believe she demanded he sit in car nor did she have any authority to do so. PLEASE LOOK AT SOME FACTS.

It is so frustrating to respond because you keep making things up

Lisa

= good point about the phone contact not being a 911. The real puzzle is why Trayvon did not walk/run immediatly to his house. He was only 30 second walk away. Perhaps he was scared and ran in circles to lose GZ. We will never know.

There are large issues to talk about here-- such as where is the so called black leadership when out of wedlock afro-american births have reached 73%. Children having children is a recipe for disaster in any society. Teenage crime; more gangs in chicago than there are police.; crumbling inner cities where the only jobs are for drug runners; the media exploitation of the Gangsta -rap culture which violates women and refuses to adopt any of the traditional values of Western civilization, such as marriage and family.

 

[LisaA]

I think a large component of this was two very different attitudes to conflict and fighting. Fighting as sport, and fighting as combat.

Fighting as sport has winners and losers, rules and limits.

Fighting as combat has survivors.

I don’t think Martin was trying to kill Zimmerman, I don’t think he conceived that someone would believe he was. I don’t think he understood someone who sees physical conflict as a last resort and therefore combat. Zimmerman could not read his mind, and having avoided confrontation could not conceive of someone who would attack him without being willing to go all out.

I believe that Martin was overcome by rage at the “creepy a** cracka” following him. It may have been he thought he was being targeted as a young black man. He may have been of the mind that Zimmerman was a sexual predator. Whatever the reason, I think he was a young man high on testosterone and low on impulse control. Everything about the initial encounter, Jeantel’s words and the testimony of Zimmerman while speaking to the dispatcher indicates Martin initially “got away.” But somehow they re-connected. It makes far more sense that Martin confronted Zimmerman than the alternative.

I am sure Martin didn’t realize Zimmerman was armed or he probably would not have picked a fight with him. What he saw was a nosy neighbor, a potential predator, a 'creepy a** cracka…" As a young man with athletic ability and some apparent fighting skills he probably thought he could easily teach Zimmerman a lesson. He was wrong and paid with his life

Lisa

 

[LisaA]

= good point about the phone contact not being a 911. The real puzzle is why Trayvon did not walk/run immediatly to his house. He was only 30 second walk away. Perhaps he was scared and ran in circles to lose GZ. We will never know.

There are large issues to talk about here-- such as where is the so called black leadership when out of wedlock afro-american births have reached 73%. Children having children is a recipe for disaster in any society. Teenage crime; more gangs in chicago than there are police.; crumbling inner cities where the only jobs are for drug runners; the media exploitation of the Gangsta -rap culture which violates women and refuses to adopt any of the traditional values of Western civilization, such as marriage and family.

My sentiments exactly. But realize the Zimmerman case provides cover for failing to address REAL issues in minority communities. Feigned outrage about a non-issue masks the complete failure of our social service policies and government programs designed to help minority children out of the mire of generational poverty, lack of two parent homes, drugs, violence and crime.
Lisa