Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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Robert_Sock said:
Empathy: The power of entering into another’s personality and imaginatively experiencing his or her experiences

Empathy seems to be lacking in this thread.
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Yes, empathy for Zimmerman certainly is lacking in this thread. He, apparently, should have just had the good grace to allow himself to just be beaten to death rather than dare to defend his life.

Yes, I know you meant empathy for Martin, of course, but have you tried at all to think of this from Zimmerman’s viewpoint?

I honestly think the whole situation arose due to a series of misunderstandings leading to a horrific outcome not just for Martin, but for Zimmerman too, and each of their families, and now extending to their American family. It is tragic for all of us because it has divided an already divided America along yet another line. The race-baiters want that line to be along race to suit their agenda, but it is not. Bottom line, if they keep up, nobody will win in this. Nobody. We have already lost much. Shall we see how much more we can lose? With the way this is continuing, I think we shall. Sigh.
 
Julian_Bashir said:
I guess the President abandoned the pretense of being a healer and a uniter years ago. How sad.

He doesn’t defend DOMA.

He sues states who enforce their borders when he refuses to.

He is outraged at late term abortion bans.

He (supposedly) seeks to enflame race relations by going after a person found not guilty in almost record time.

How did anyone vote for him? God have mercy on America.

I wonder if he and Holder are going to bring charges against the people (90% minorities on a normal week) killed in Chicago so far in July?

homicides.redeyechicago.com/

Or does he only sue Caucasian citizens? How selectively outraged, and sad for a once proud office.
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=don’t know what provoked a 17 year old to punch George Zimmerman and
get him on the ground and hit his head against the cement over and over.

the person posting the criminal record online. is he sure it is the
same George Zimmerman? I believe Trayvon Martin had had his own run ins
with the law.

what is done is done. the president and eric holder and the NAACP talk
of changing laws.
how about making our neighborhoods safe again? what about the number of
youths this day and age that get into trouble before they are even 15
years old? what is causing that?
I think there are other places we need to look other than changing laws
so we can get the verdict we want.

…I believe Zimmerman has some culpability for not wearing a uniform and identifying himself properly to the boy. How is a 17 year old to know you are not a nut case following you for strange reasons. ? However , the jury was correct in its law application. As for living in High Crime areas and what that does to people— well, that is fodder for another whole THREAD- lets have that discussion. see below…

from … < larryElder.com >
=" Tragically, an unarmed teenager, returning from a convenience store with Skittles and iced tea, is dead. Understandably, many people want someone held responsible. This does not, however, make Zimmerman a criminal, let along a racist wannabe cop who profiled and murdered an innocent black 17-year-old."
 
Robert_Sock said:
Why would TM risk life in prison unless he was threatened. Justice may very well have not been served. Perspective taking, what is the perspective of the other person, in this case, that of TM?
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Why would Zimmerman risk life in prison to shoot a black teen? Think about that. Really think about that. You think because he is a white (or white Hispanic) who hates blacks? Facts do not bear that out.

Zimmerman himself is part black.

Zimmerman took a black girl to the prom.

Zimmerman and his wife mentored black youths, even continuing on after funding ended because he believed it was an important and valued program.

Zimmerman grew up with blacks in his house, as part of his family, from the age of 6-12.

Zimmerman was an advocate of a black homeless man, publicly and strongly supporting him against a relative of a white Sanford police officer who had beaten the man.
 
april32010 said:
why do you keep asking this question ,do you really believe everyone has a coherent and reasonable to commit a crime??? 🤷
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It’s a part of perspective taking, in this case the likely perspective of TM. Many of the posts on this thread are blatantly biased in favor of GZ’s perspective only. Things need to get balanced out, and the perspective of TM needs to be stated.
 
Robert_Sock said:
It’s a part of perspective taking, in this case the likely perspective of TM. Many of the posts on this thread are blatantly biased in favor of GZ’s perspective only. Things need to get balanced out, and the perspective of TM needs to be stated.
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Your posts are biased against ZImmerman and gun owners. Until you show the very thing you call others to do you have no credibility. Not that your accusation has any foundation in the first place. You’ve argued emotionalism consistently against the evidence presented at trial and the law.You don’t even post anything new, it’s just the same old same old that has been repeatedly answered and proven false yet you continue on just copy and pasting the same comments.
 
SwizzleStick said:
Why would Zimmerman risk life in prison to shoot a black teen? Think about that. Really think about that. You think because he is a white (or white Hispanic) who hates blacks? Facts do not bear that out.

Zimmerman himself is part black.

Zimmerman took a black girl to the prom.

Zimmerman and his wife mentored black youths, even continuing on after funding ended because he believed it was an important and valued program.

Zimmerman grew up with blacks in his house, as part of his family, from the age of 6-12.

Zimmerman was an advocate of a black homeless man, publicly and strongly supporting him against a relative of a white Sanford police officer who had beaten the man.
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Again, the likely perspective of TM need to be taken into account to get a balanced and just view of what really happened that dreadful night. What was the real causes of that deadly confrontation? It was the Florida state law that permitted an amateur law enforcement personnel to carry a concealed weapon.
 
JewishWorldReview.com

| In a better world we should never have been subjected to the Zimmerman trial.

But politically motivated prosecutors in Florida turned a local tragedy into a race crime, and then the media turned a murder trial into a primetime soap opera.

The trial accusing George Zimmerman of murdering Trayvon Martin wasn’t about seeking justice. It was a ginned-up, politically motivated morality play presented on the national media stage.

Even the president helped with the pre-trial publicity, saying, “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”

The Zimmerman soap opera couldn’t have been written any better. Zimmerman was the perfect bad guy for a courtroom drama about race – a “wannabe cop” packing a gun on his side.

Trayvon Martin was the perfect good guy – the innocent victim of a racist “white Hispanic,” as the imaginative scriptwriters at The New York Times dubbed Zimmerman in their effort to create a racial narrative where there was none.

In supporting roles the soap opera featured Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, so-called black leaders who still make their livings spotting racism everywhere and inciting the black community with their hate speech.

The Zimmerman trial was an American tragedy. It had no winners.

A teenager was shot to death in the heat of a fight that never should have happened.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Again, the likely perspective of TM need to be taken into account to get a balanced and just view of what really happened that dreadful night. What was the real causes of that deadly confrontation? It was the Florida state law that permitted an amateur law enforcement personnel to carry a concealed weapon.
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The real cause? None of us is prescient and all are instead fallible human beings. Zimmerman was not prescient enough to know that Martin would violently attack him, causing Zimmerman to defend his life with lethal force. Martin was no more prescient than Zimmerman and thus did not know that by attacking Zimmerman, he was making a choice that would lead to his death.

I again offer this.
SwizzleStick said:
…I honestly think the whole situation arose due to a series of misunderstandings leading to a horrific outcome not just for Martin, but for Zimmerman too, and each of their families, and now extending to their American family. It is tragic for all of us because it has divided an already divided America along yet another line. The race-baiters want that line to be along race to suit their agenda, but it is not. Bottom line, if they keep up, nobody will win in this. Nobody. We have already lost much. Shall we see how much more we can lose? With the way this is continuing, I think we shall. Sigh.
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SwizzleStick said:
The real cause? None of us is prescient and all are instead fallible human beings. Zimmerman was not prescient enough to know that Martin would violently attack him, causing Zimmerman to defend his life with lethal force. Martin was no more prescient than Zimmerman and thus did not know that by attacking Zimmerman, he was making a choice that would lead to his death.
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Perspective taking, what’s TM likely perspective? Your assumptions are biased in favor of GZ. Why not be fair and just, and take TM’s likely perspective instead of just the perspective of GZ?
 
SwizzleStick said:
The real cause? None of us is prescient and all are instead fallible human beings. Zimmerman was not prescient enough to know that Martin would violently attack him, causing Zimmerman to defend his life with lethal force. Martin was no more prescient than Zimmerman and thus did not know that by attacking Zimmerman, he was making a choice that would lead to his death.
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Simply your assertions.
I again offer this.
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SamH said:
Just the ones walking through people’s yards dressed like a thug.
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This is to say what? Every time someone has on a hoodie, they are dressed like a thug??

Also, since this is a gated community type of apartment/condominium complex, not absolutely sure if those areas are “people’s yards”
 
MaryT777 said:
By observation do you mean getting in your truck/car and following around each and everyone of them?
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ZIMMERMAN didn’t follow Martin. He didn’t. And that is where Martin was. He was home free. Safe. He told Jeantel that he was in the back yard.

Well, he was until he went to confront this crazy a** cracker.

So here is a question for you MaryT777. Why was Martin following Zimmerman?
 
SwizzleStick said:
The way Martin was dressed was not the issue, at least not to me. It was his behavior that was the issue.
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His behavior from whose perspective? Why are you only focusing on GZ’s perspective for? Be open mined and see that there is more than one perspective.
 
SwizzleStick said:
Really? If Martin and Zimmerman could have known then what we all know now, you don’t think they would have made different choices the evening of February 26, 2012?
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I don’t see how that backs this statement up:
Zimmerman was not prescient enough to know that Martin would violently attack him, causing Zimmerman to defend his life with lethal force.- #1936
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Admittedly, a very plausible theory is that George Zimmerman was defending his life; however I am not sure if we can be absolutely certain it is factual and factual in all aspects.
 
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