Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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qui_est_ce said:
Well thank you. I watched Piers interviewing her, but I soon lost track of understanding her. She was so incoherent, that she could easily be misunderstood.
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You are welcome.🙂

I agree that she is generally unintelligible, though I think she has presented herself marginally better since the trial.
 
Robert_Sock said:
We have the facts, and we have the gray areas. There are also the motives, most importantly, why would TM risk life in jail over something so minor as somebody following him? Many of the people on this thread are intentionally taking GZ’s account of the situation without considering other plausible scenarios.
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So far no pausible alternative has been offered.

Why would George Zimmerman risk life in prison by stalking and killing a person after he called the police?
 
SamH said:
So far no pausible alternative has been offered.

Why would George Zimmerman risk life in prison by stalking and killing a person after he called the police?
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Because that’s what Florida amateur law enforcement personnel with guns do. They love the idea of their life being ripped apart and spending life in prison after they call the police on themselves! Because, you know, guns!

Just trying to save ol’ Bob a little time here.
 
SamH said:
So far no pausible alternative has been offered.

Why would George Zimmerman risk life in prison by stalking and killing a person after he called the police?
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Yes, it has been offered, but you completely ignore it.

Conversely, why would TM risk life in prison by killing GZ? Where is TM’s motive to do so?
 
Robert_Sock said:
I don’t have the answer any more than you do. What I have is an alternative scenario to GZ’s perspective. What facts are there that TM was the aggressor?
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Yes, you have an alternative perspective, you have YOUR perspective which is totally irrelevant. It is not TM’s perspective, it is not GZ’s perspective, it is not my perspective it is not anyone but YOUR perspective.

You make stuff up and then ask people to explain it and no answer will satisfy you.

Peace

Tim
 
lcburgundy said:
Because that’s what Florida amateur law enforcement personnel with guns do. They love the idea of their life being ripped apart and spending life in prison after they call the police on themselves! Because, you know, guns!

Just trying to save ol’ Bob a little time here.
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😃 Very good! 👍
 
Robert_Sock said:
I don’t have the answer any more than you do. What I have is an alternative scenario to GZ’s perspective. What facts are there that TM was the aggressor?
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I agree, there is 4 minutes of silence after the 911 call to the police and the next thing we know of that happens, we do not have any factual information that Trayvon Martin initiated the fight, we do have evidence that George Zimmerman was punched hard in the face. Additionally, for a struggle, George Zimmerman fired a bullet that went right through the heart of all the places on the body it could go.

So my contention is that there was not enough evidence to convict George Zimmerman, however that does not translate to Zimmerman’s version being the truth.

The law is weak in cases like this, most likely.
 
Orogeny said:
Yes, you have an alternative perspective, you have YOUR perspective which is totally irrelevant. It is not TM’s perspective, it is not GZ’s perspective, it is not my perspective it is not anyone but YOUR perspective.

You make stuff up and then ask people to explain it and no answer will satisfy you.

Peace

Tim
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And yet again, it has to do with honest and sincere perspective taking.
 
BroomWagon said:
I agree, there is 4 minutes of silence after the 911 call to the police and the next thing we know of that happens, we do not have any factual information that Trayvon Martin initiated the fight, we do have evidence that George Zimmerman was punched hard in the face. Additionally, for a struggle, George Zimmerman fired a bullet that went right through the heart of all the places on the body it could go.

So my contention is that there was not enough evidence to convict George Zimmerman, however that does not translate to Zimmerman’s version being the truth.

The law is weak in cases like this, most likely.
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Just a point on this. People talk as if firing at someone’s chest is somehow inherently a bad thing to do. If you fire a weapon to stop an attack on yourself, you are supposed to fire at the center of mass to stop the attack as many times as it takes to stop the attack, which will usually be the chest area. You never shoot for the purpose of inflicting other wounds or use your weapon to fire warning shots (i.e. deliberatly missing). Ever. That is Responsible Self Defense 101. This case is very unusual in that the first shot actually hit in such a way to stop the attack very quickly. That doesn’t usually occur.
 
april32010 said:
doing what thugs do 🤷
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In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer.” Both these felonies are considered third-degree. Due to his desperate attempts, the charges were reduced to “resisting officer without violence” and then the only remaining charge was also completely waived off when he entered an alcohol education program.
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allvoices.com/contributed-news/11808013-george-zimmermans-criminal-records-revealed
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Wonder who you might be referring to?
 
Great, Sabrina Fulton has asked Obama “at the least … investigate what happened.” And, so it continues.

Trayvon Martin’s parents speak out: “Stunned” at verdict

(CBS News) The parents of slain Florida teen Trayvon Martin, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, spoke out for the first time since a not guilty verdict was handed down Saturday night in the trial of George Zimmerman. Zimmerman was acquitted of second degree murder and manslaughter in the 2012 shooting death of the unarmed Martin in Sanford, Fla. …

…Fulton called on President Obama to “at the least … investigate what happened.” …

Blue excerpts from:
Trayvon Martin’s parents speak out: “Stunned” at verdict
cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57594295/trayvon-martins-parents-speak-out-stunned-at-verdict/
 
SwizzleStick said:
Great, Sabrina Fulton has asked Obama “at the least … investigate what happened.” And, so it continues.

Trayvon Martin’s parents speak out: “Stunned” at verdict

(CBS News) The parents of slain Florida teen Trayvon Martin, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, spoke out for the first time since a not guilty verdict was handed down Saturday night in the trial of George Zimmerman. Zimmerman was acquitted of second degree murder and manslaughter in the 2012 shooting death of the unarmed Martin in Sanford, Fla. …

…Fulton called on President Obama to “at the least … investigate what happened.” …

Blue excerpt from:
Trayvon Martin’s parents speak out: “Stunned” at verdict
cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57594295/trayvon-martins-parents-speak-out-stunned-at-verdict/
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Translation: “Save our civil suit! Stat!”
 
lcburgundy said:
Just a point on this. People talk as if firing at someone’s chest is somehow inherently a bad thing to do. If you fire a weapon to stop an attack on yourself, you are supposed to fire at the center of mass to stop the attack as many times as it takes to stop the attack, which will usually be the chest area. You never shoot for the purpose of inflicting other wounds or use your weapon to fire warning shots (i.e. deliberatly missing). Ever. That is Responsible Self Defense 101. This case is very unusual in that the first shot actually hit in such a way to stop the attack very quickly. That doesn’t usually occur.
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Yes, you’re right, that is very unusual.
 
BroomWagon said:
Wonder who you might be referring to?
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When police drop a felony charge, it means they don’t have squat on you. And there’s just as much character evidence stating GZ stuck his neck out for neighbors, friends, and other strangers even. Would the armchairing keyboard commandos in this thread be half as charitable, I would consider us all blessed.
 
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