Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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BroomWagon said:
The only minority on the all-female jury that voted to acquit George Zimmerman said today that Zimmerman “got away with murder” for killing Trayvon Martin and feels she owes an apology Martin’s parents.
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Yes, because they had to look at the evidence and the law. Not what they “felt.”

Just because someone died, doesn’t mean there was a murder.
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mtbender said:
I wouldn’t use the term armature law enforcement; therefore I have no reason to define it…

Let me be sure I have this right, you want me to show evidence to refute your claim that you have not shown evidence to support? You are the one that indicated that GZ was acting as a vigilante; I simply challenged your assertion. If you can’t support it with evidence than my point is already proven…

What question does there mere possession of a CC permit beg?
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How would you refute my claim if you cannot come up with this simple definition?

GZ was following an innocent 17 year-old boy, believing he was a criminal. This is clearly a case of profiling, and points to the fact that GZ was acting as a naive, gunslinging vigilante.
 
LisaA said:
I’m really interested in facts rather than your unsubstantiated opinions regarding gun rights. What are the facts in this case?

The state of Florida committed no crime
Zimmerman’s gun was legal and he passed all necessary background checks (did you ever bother to read them, they are quite stringent)
Zimmerman was not acting as a vigilante. He was acting in self defense
Your opinion about Neighborhood Watch is yet another irrelevant opinion not a fact.

To paraphrase Joe Friday, the facts sir, just the facts.

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The state of Florida can plea down an assault charge on a police officer to alcohol awareness training but that does not mean it was prudent. That said hindsight is
20/20. Who would know he’d kill someone.

Zimmerman passed all of the necessary background checks because of the above.

Zimmerman was acting as a vigilante. He profiled his suspect and followed him admittedly by his own words. That wasn’t enough he had to get out of truck/car and follow
him more.

Not everyone is cut out for Neighborhood Watch; Zimmerman wasn’t as we can see;
We need people who can draw the line between police officer and citizen and know where to delineate that line.

I personally enjoy hearing the opinions of people regarding Neighborhood Watch. I think this is an isolated incident for my City has a lot of Neighborhoods with such a thing and no one has ended up dead.
 
Robert_Sock said:
This is clearly a case of profiling
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No this was reported, called in, verified.

And this comes back to probable cause, and since we would like to reduce our freedom and increase “theirs” “they” this is a problem how?
 
GaryTaylor said:
No this was reported, called in, verified.

And this comes back to probable cause, and since we would like to reduce our freedom and increase “theirs” “they” this is a problem how?
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He called in and reported a “suspect” and these “expletive punks always get away”.
That Is profiling.

The police officer that testified said TM was doing nothing wrong; he’s allowed to walk home or around at any pace he wants to.
 
Robert_Sock said:
How would you refute my claim if you cannot come up with this simple definition?

GZ was following an innocent 17 year-old boy, believing he was a criminal. This is clearly a case of profiling, and points to the fact that GZ was acting as a naive, gunslinging vigilante.
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Just curious - what makes you say he was innocent?
 
MaryT777 said:
He called in and reported a “suspect” and these “expletive punks always get away”.
That Is profiling.

The police officer that testified said TM was doing nothing wrong; he’s allowed to walk home or around at any pace he wants to.
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Agreed, what’s wrong with profiling?

I guess you don’t understand what a gated community is.
 
mtbender said:
So mere allegations (no conviction) is enough to bar someone from their constitutional rights? GZ was never convicted of assaulting a police officer and the domestic issue was a clear case of “he said/she said” where both parties filed restraining orders against the other and were granted one. No criminal charges were filed.

Is that enough take away someone’s constitutional right? Should we apply this to every case where there is no conviction or the charges are dropped?
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No we should not take away someone’s constitutional right. However if someone is assaulting a police officer because they are drunk, that should stay on the record as a felony.
Alcohol awareness is a pretty light “sentence” for that.

I believe the domestic issue for GZ " was trolling" her around the Neighborhood. That is what he did in the TM case and past behavior is a good prediction of future behavior more often than not.

I agree with the constitutional right; but I do the state was negligent in the case of GZ who as we see now.
 
MaryT777 said:
He called in and reported a “suspect” and these “expletive punks always get away”.
That Is profiling.

The police officer that testified said TM was doing nothing wrong; he’s allowed to walk home or around at any pace he wants to.
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Yes a suspect which is why we are having the gangster hoodiie tag along conversation.

Eye view of crime being committed isn’t related to suspect. Hoodie, hands in pocket/behavior and the history of crime events in the neighborhood.

And no that was ignorant talk on his part, not profiling.
 
SamH said:
Agreed, what’s wrong with profiling?

I guess you don’t understand what a gated community is.
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I think profiling someone in your mind as a “suspect” creates a mentality where you are more likely to shoot someone like GZ did. These no good expletive punks is a dangerous mentality to have and leads to tragic events if you are armed.

Is someone Legally required by the law to register as a visitor to a gated Community?
What if you are going to see your Dad and no one is there at the registry desk? Have you violated some state law then?

No you have not.
 
SamH said:
Just curious - what makes you say he was innocent?
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Is going out to buy some an Iced Tea and some Skittles a sign of guilt? Had not GZ engaged in racial profiling, none of this would have happened.
 
MaryT777 said:
I think profiling someone in your mind as a “suspect” creates a mentality where you are more likely to shoot someone like GZ did. These no good expletive punks is a dangerous mentality to have and leads to tragic events if you are armed.

Is someone Legally required by the law to register as a visitor to a gated Community?
What if you are going to see your Dad and no one is there at the registry desk? Have you violated some state law then?

No you have not.
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Mary they are covering their head today and all teens, like robbers and criminals do. black, white, yellow, red and the rest. Its a mask for God sakes.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Yes a suspect which is why we are having the gangster hoodiie tag along conversation.

Eye view of crime being committed isn’t related to suspect. Hoodie hands in pocket/behavior and the history of crime events in the neighborhood.

And no that was ignorant talk on his part, not profiling.
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Yes it was profiling in my opinion; I don’t believe wearing a hoodie makes one suspect and
thus ok to be killed because they fit what someone in their mind believes is a “suspect.”
I don’t know if in the prior burglaries the perpetrators wore hoodies or not but if so if one thought their “perceived” suspect was wearing a hoodie, on drugs and up to no good all the more reason to stay in your car, call the police and let them handle it.

God forbid everyone with a hoodie can end up dead because they had one on; that would be utter vigilante chaos.

No wonder the nation is outraged.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Mary they are covering their head today and all teens, like robbers and criminals do. black, white, yellow, red and the rest. Its a mask for God sakes.
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TM was not a robber; he was walking home thus the danger, in my opinion, of profiling someone with a hoodie. We just can’t kill anyone with a hoodie.
 
MaryT777 said:
TM was not a robber; he was walking home thus the danger, in my opinion, of profiling someone with a hoodie. We just can’t kill anyone with a hoodie.
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Nobody was killed for simply wearing a hoodie. TM was killed because he was in the process of bashing GZ’s head into the concrete and GZ needed to defend himself from that.
 
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