Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

[MaryT777]

Is going out to buy some an Iced Tea and some Skittles a sign of guilt? Had not GZ engaged in racial profiling, none of this would have happened.

Thank goodness you don’t hear every day of someone being shot by a neighborhood watch captain when one had an iced tea and Skittles as their only weapon.

 

[mtbender]

He called in and reported a “suspect” and these “expletive punks always get away”.
That Is profiling.

The police officer that testified said TM was doing nothing wrong; he’s allowed to walk home or around at any pace he wants to.

By definition, you are correct – suspecting a person based on behavior is considered profiling according to Webster. Is that a bad thing?

I don’t believe anyone stated that TM was in the wrong for walking home…

 

[MaryT777]

Nobody was killed for simply wearing a hoodie. TM was killed because he was in the process of bashing GZ’s head into the concrete and GZ needed to defend himself from that.

My point was regarding profiling. Someone with a hoodie is not necessarily a criminal.
TM saw GZ reach in his pocket for his cell phone and apparently saw the gun because according to GZ
he
touched it,
reached for it ; story has changed
and thus fought for his life before he was shot which eventually be was anyway.

There are natural consequences for irresponsibility though.

 

[GaryTaylor]

TM was not a robber; he was walking home thus the danger, in my opinion, of profiling someone with a hoodie. We just can’t kill anyone with a hoodie.

No-one said he was a robber but you. I said “probable cause” and you could best believe the head covering/behavior-neighborhood is a part of it.

And yes the hoodiie gangster image is not recommended by most parents I know including myself. In fact its highly discouraged.

 

[MaryT777]

And it will be raining outside the next episode also.

I like rain.
Hopefully in the next episode we will have a happy ending with no deaths.
That would be great.

“suspect” apprehended by the police and not shot by GZ only to find out that he was walking home in the rain and let go; that would be an easier lesson for GZ to learn.

Regretfully now he’s the victim of his own mentality in this Country of vigilante justice.

 

[MaryT777]

No-one said he was a robber but you. I said “probable cause” and you could best believe the head covering/behavior-neighborhood is a part of it.

And yes the hoodiie gangster image is not recommended by most parents I know including myself. In fact its highly discouraged.

I just said not all people wearing hoodies are robbers.

Most parents I know don’t support taking the law into your own hands and killing someone with a hoodie on because they have a gangster image.

 

[BroomWagon]

And it will be raining outside the next episode also.

Late February on a Sunday night, 7:15ish, yes, even Florida gets cool and it gets a lot of rain but I wouldn’t go overboard wearing a parka. In that a hoodie would provide some protection from the elements.

 

[mtbender]

Is going out to buy some an Iced Tea and some Skittles a sign of guilt? Had not GZ engaged in racial profiling, none of this would have happened.

Now we are back to it racial profiling… really? This all happened because TM was black? I would love to hear your explanation for that claim, especially in light of the FBIs findings that racial bias was not a motivating factor.

 

[BroomWagon]

Nobody was killed for simply wearing a hoodie. TM was killed because he was in the process of bashing GZ’s head into the concrete and GZ needed to defend himself from that.

Thank you for providing us with George Zimmerman’s testimony, hardly established fact.

 

[Robert_Sock]

And it will be raining outside the next episode also.

You make it sound like a crime to be wearing a hoodie in the rain? Heck, I’m 58 and I do the same. It’s stereotyping.

 

[GaryTaylor]

killing someone with a hoodie on because they have a gangster image.

That’s part of the reason there was probable cause, that’s not why he died. He died because he confronted a man with a gun who was also a agent of the law, sad as that was.

But you agree the image is an issue? As it darn well should be with all parents.

Not all people are suspected by the police for wearing hoodies, that’s just as ridiculous as only blacks wearing a hoodie could be a suspect.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Now we are back to it racial profiling… really? This all happened because TM was black? I would love to hear your explanation for that claim, especially in light of the FBIs findings that racial bias was not a motivating factor.

It all happened because he was black and wearing a hoodie.

 

[BroomWagon]

That’s part of the reason there was probable cause, that’s not why he died. He died because he confronted a man with a gun who was also a agent of the law, sad as that was.

But you agree the image is an issue? As it darn well should be with all parents.

Not all people are suspected by the police for wearing hoodies, that’s just as ridiculous as only blacks wearing a hoodie could be a suspect.

George Zimmerman had “probable cause” and was an agent of the law?

Well, HOA had to hand out a large amount of money in regards to this. Maybe the “agent of the law” could be argued. Not sure about “probable cause”, seems one could say that about anyone.

Well, from Bob Beckel on the 5, the last 7 times Zimmerman called in, it was regarding black young males. Maybe all of those were probable cause too.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Thugs get suspended from school.

Thugs have a lot of jewelry found on them that wasn’t theirs.

Thugs like to take photos of themselves using drugs.

Thugs like to take photos of themselves with illegal guns. (Surely, Bob, you would agree that it was a grave evil for Trayvon to possess a handgun as both a minor and not a police officer.)

Thugs like to take photos of them and their buddies fighting.

Etc.

And what about gunslinging vigilantes?

 

[adrift]

I have noticed Lisa that whenever someone expresses an opinion you disagree with you slam into them in a very rude and patronising manner and then go on to express your own opinions which are no more or less valid than anyone else’s. Please refrain from using capitals (it constitutes shouting) and using remarks like ohh purrrlease as that is very rude. You can’t have your own way all the time!

It is interesting that you chose to quote a post where she did not “slam” anyone and did not use capitals.

You ended up doing exactly what you accused her of doing being rude and patronizing:shrug:

If you can’t attack the facts, attack the person

 

[maryjk]

It was raining outside.

Yes, it was. But it wasn’t raining inside the store, was it??

It really doesn’t matter because Martin wasn’t shot because of a hoodie. He was shot because he was attacking someone.

TM was not a robber; he was walking home thus the danger, in my opinion, of profiling someone with a hoodie. We just can’t kill anyone with a hoodie.

Well, we don’t know if he was a robber. He did have stolen goods on him. (Any explanation for that?)

But he wasn’t shot because he was a robber. He was shot because he was attacking someone.

I always laugh when someone says, “But Zimmerman profiled Martin.” Yes, he did. And he was right.

 

[BroomWagon]

And what about gunslinging vigilantes?

In name calling per the rules of this forum, I always have to be careful but to me, the “T” word can be applicable to Zimmerman as well.

nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-lost-job-party-security-guard-aggressive-ex-co-worker-article-1.1053223

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165784/Trayvon-Martin-case-George-Zimmerman-bullied-colleague-racial-comments.html

And prior run-ins with the law, for felonies no less.

In his defense, this felony incident in the bar seemed to involve plain-clothes officers and working undercover and the acquaintance Zimmerman stood up for may have been serving minors alcohol.

Still.

 

[adrift]

And what about gunslinging vigilantes?

You need to look up the definition of gunslinging and vigilatnes than you wouldn’t ask such meaningless questions.

 

[BroomWagon]

Yes, it was. But it wasn’t raining inside the store, was it??

It really doesn’t matter because Martin wasn’t shot because of a hoodie. He was shot because he was attacking someone.

Thank you for providing George Zimmerman’s narrative NOT fact.

Well, we don’t know if he was a robber. He did have stolen goods on him. (Any explanation for that?)

But he wasn’t shot because he was a robber. He was shot because he was attacking someone.

Again, Zimmerman’s narrative, not fact.

I always laugh when someone says, “But Zimmerman profiled Martin.” Yes, he did. And he was right.

I always laugh when someone states George Zimmerman’s unsworn testimony as fact.

I don’t laugh at the fact, George Zimmerman killed someone the police say was not doing any wrong in the apartment complex.

 

[GaryTaylor]

George Zimmerman had “probable cause” and was an agent of the law?

Well, HOA had to hand out a large amount of money in regards to this. Maybe the “agent of the law” could be argued. Not sure about “probable cause”, seems one could say that about anyone.

Well again, do we want to empower our police more and reduce our own rights with Obama, or take a serious look here?

Yes they do use this term very loosely. Listen, in NYC they will jack you up just for being in a high crime area and looking out of place. And with nothing on your head. You can catch a beating down there just for being in the wrong neighborhood.