Opinion on the #Metoo movement

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TheAmazingGrace said:
Engaging in sexual activity outside of marriage with a willing partner is not in the same ballpark as abusing one’s power over a weaker party. You’re conflating the two for the sake of promoting your own agenda: an agenda which doesn’t do anyone any favors.
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No, I’m not. For instance, many of those participating in the #MeToo movement are those who indeed HAVE consented, but then later on regretted it and then claimed it was rape. This has been an on-going topic since 2013 when the CDC ran a survey and included rape to men regretting consensual sex. This is why the Columbia University Mattress Girl and UVA cases were shams, but it spawned a bizarre discussion saying that men are just intrinsically rapists and that rape can mean anything.

Or how about the SlutWalks? What do those promote? They demand they can be sluts but that if anyone looks at them lustfully that they are now raped. This is entirely backwards.

This is by no means me saying that the responsibility is no longer on men (of course it is – those perverts need to be called out), but women who have thrown out their own responsibilities and conflated what rape means need to subsume some of the blame when they’ve willingly participated too.
 
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TheAmazingGrace said:
Engaging in sexual activity outside of marriage with a willing partner is not in the same ballpark as abusing one’s power over a weaker party.
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And men have been able to avoid the consequences of contact with a weaker party for years. The modern counterbalance is DNA and paternity testing. Makes it a lot harder to just pretend you have no idea how the woman got pregnant but it certainly isn’t yours.
 
Anytime someone starts blaming the Sexual Revolution, I think of all those poor kids who were victimized by Larry Nassar. They were children, and he was a predator - chastity had nothing to do with it.
 
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TheAmazingGrace said:
Anytime someone starts blaming the Sexual Revolution, I think of all those poor kids who were victimized by Larry Nassar. They were children, and he was a predator - chastity had nothing to do with it.
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The child abuse subjects is where the MeToo movement has validity. HOWEVER, that is not the dominant discussion within it. That’s not the dominant narrative.
 
The dominant narrative is abuse of power, which covers child abuse, but is by no means limited to it.
 
gcshapero said:
No, I’m not. For instance, many of those participating in the #MeToo movement are those who indeed HAVE consented, but then later on regretted it and then claimed it was rape. This has been an on-going topic since 2013 when the CDC ran a survey and included rape to men regretting consensual sex. This is why the Columbia University Mattress Girl and UVA cases were shams, but it spawned a bizarre discussion saying that men are just intrinsically rapists and that rape can mean anything.
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This is also true. And it infuriates me as well.
 
gcshapero said:
Is consensual sex between men and women and then late someone regretting it considered abuse of power?
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In my experience, that’s not what the vast majority of #MeToo participants are talking about. There are some conscience-deficient weirdos out there (as is the case with any social movement), but they do not dominate the conversation.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
In my experience, that’s not what the vast majority of #MeToo participants are talking about. There are some conscience-deficient weirdos out there (as is the case with any social movement), but they do not dominate the conversation.
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It was one of the establishing subjects with Emma Sulkowicz pushing this subject.

But even that aside, this is also where the Slut Walks got popularized. Why would someone like Amber Rose, a former stripper who says she loves being a slut and having sex with lots of men also one of the lead voices of the Me Too movement?

Again, I’m not saying the surface concept is bad – it’s good actually because it’s saying “stop abusing your power” (Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby are two examples of legit cases, along with all of the sexual abusers, including the clerics). But they can’t now conflate it.
 
gcshapero said:
Why would someone like Amber Rose, a former stripper who says she loves being a slut and having sex with lots of men also one of the lead voices of the Me Too movement?
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Why shouldn’t she be? Why does liking sex mean you have to be okay with being harassed/assaulted?
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
Why shouldn’t she be? Why does liking sex mean you have to be okay with being harassed/assaulted?
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What does it mean to “like sex?”
I’m not saying sex shouldn’t be liked. Actually, I think it should loved. But what do you think that means to like or even love sex?
 
gcshapero said:
What does it mean to “like sex?”
I’m not saying sex shouldn’t be liked. Actually, I think it should loved. But what do you think that means to like or even love sex?
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You said Amber Rose can’t be a figurehead in the #MeToo movement because she likes having sex. I’m asking why those things are mutually exclusive.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
You said Amber Rose can’t be a figurehead in the #MeToo movement because she likes having sex. I’m asking why those things are mutually exclusive.
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I didn’t say she can’t be a figurehead for it because she likes having sex. I said that Amber Rose literally promotes slut activity (in her words). Do you think sluts like sex?

What does it mean to like sex?
 
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I think part of the problem here is that people are trying to push everything under the heading of either “definitely rape” or “completely consensual sex.” It seems fairly clear that there’s cases where someone may have consented, but was also under strong pressure in an uneven situation. At the extreme ends there are cases where we deem the power differential enough to count it as rape no matter what, but there are a lot of cases that may not meet that standard but are still not right.
gcshapero said:
But even that aside, this is also where the Slut Walks got popularized. Why would someone like Amber Rose, a former stripper who says she loves being a slut and having sex with lots of men also one of the lead voices of the Me Too movement?
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One of the points the #metoo movement is trying to make was that it’s not just “good girls” that deserve to not be harassed. A lot of guys justify it because in their minds if the woman is available at all, she must be available to them. One of the main criticisms feminism has always had of society is that women who weren’t considered chaste enough were seen as fair game.
 
DarkLight said:
One of the main criticisms feminism has always had of society is that women who weren’t considered chaste enough were seen as fair game.
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Ah, the Madonna/Whore Complex. Yet another thing that should be a relic by now.
 
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TheAmazingGrace said:
Why does being a “slut” disqualify one from being involved in the #MeToo movement?
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It doesn’t. Odds are many who wear the title “slut” have been abused. The problem is they are saying that don’t have to take responsibility now. In fact, they are using Me Too as a means to promote sluttish activity.

The Slut Walks were designed for that exclusively.

When someone is sexually abused, is the right response to then begin flaunting your body, promote promiscuity, and abortion on demand? Because that’s the narrative coming from them.

Again, does does it even mean to “life sex?”
 
gcshapero said:
In fact, they are using Me Too as a means to promote sluttish activity.
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They’re using #MeToo to bring attention to the abuse women (and men) suffer on a regular basis that has gone largely unacknowledged throughout the years.
 
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