Opinion on the #Metoo movement

[gcshapero]

Honestly I do not know your point either. Even prostitutes have the right to be upset and traumatised if they get raped. Because it’s inherently about consent…?

I never said they didn’t. But can the Me Too movement then be used to promote prostitution?

See the difference?

 

[Lea101]

How would the movement be used to promote prostitution?

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

But can the Me Too movement then be used to promote prostitution?

It’s not being used for that.

 

[LilyM]

Pleasure is not the only point of sex, but it is an important part of the mix - God designed the human body with specific parts that exist for no other reason than to make sex pleasurable, after all.

 

[gcshapero]

Translation: it’s not pertinent, because your only concern is about controlling female sexuality and you have no actual interest in the well-being of your fellow humans.

You don’t know me and you’ve made an egregious assumption. That’s nonsense. You haven’t heard a word I said.

 

[pnewton]

Children get abused. Virgins get abused. Old ladies in nursing homes get abused. Hijab-observant women get abused.

And in all of these cases there are steps to limit the odds of abuse. Earlier, the objectification of women was mentioned, but that is just one change we can make, and may not be the most important. Other ways to limit sexual harassment and assault are; cameras in common area, window in office doors and walls, easy and safe reporting polices, safe parking, and yes, professional dress, when that is appropriate, for both men and women. This list could go on. Some of these would not only protect victims of sexual harassment and assault, but also victims of false accusation.

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

You don’t know me and you’ve made an egregious assumption. That’s nonsense. You haven’t heard a word I said.

Having read your posts, I’d say it’s a pretty accurate assessment.

 

[Lea101]

More of a general opinion here: the fact that rape happens in conservative societies where chastity is held in high regard and is even expected kind of shows that there’s literally other root causes. It’s the fact that people in general are seeing each other as the means to their gratification. Be it business or sex. Add in power and you have higher ups doing corrupted stuff because they know they can get away with it too

As Catholics, it’s tempting to blame it all on the society’s aversion to our teaching on sex. But we need to be objective here imo

 

[gcshapero]

Pleasure is not the only point of sex, but it is an important part of the mix - God designed the human body with specific parts that exist for no other reason than to make sex pleasurable, after all.

I agree. Pleasure can be a means to the end – the end being an openness to life.

I know a married couple – devoutly faithful to God. They have been struggling to conceive for many years. I was talking to the husband. He said how sometimes it is just difficult and they struggle to even enjoy it sometimes.

This doesn’t mean they don’t love sex now that they cant’ enjoy it when it’s this much of a burden. It shows that they genuinely love sex, even when the pleasure has been removed, because they understand it and love that it’s a component within their marriage for the sake of bringing about life.

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

As Catholics, it’s tempting to blame it all on the society’s aversion to our teaching on sex. But we need to be objective here imo

If only…

 

[graciew]

I think,Grace,that it isn t about liking it not liking sex but getting involved in risky behaviour. Which has always happened.
I am all for a hard line against abusers,that is out of the question,but I still find very sensible to avoid walking certain " territories" at a certain hour.Extend this to different situatios for anyone. . It is a reality that things happen so why play with fire? That is the part I do not get.

 

[gcshapero]

Having read your posts, I’d say it’s a pretty accurate assessment.

So being against sluttish activity shows that I now want to control women?

They can choose to do this if they wish, but I don’t support it, and I don’t think it will help their plight at all. I think it’ll do more harm to them.

I’d rather both men AND women take responsibility, practice virtue and chastity, and be respectful to themselves and each other.

All you’ve done was make assumptions and avoid questions.

I don’t know you so I can’t claim anything.

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

It is a reality that things happen so why play with fire? That is the part I do not get.

That’s the tragedy, though. So often it happens while people are trying to make a living or just go about their lives. The moral guardians can’t fall back on blaming loose morals and risky behavior, because a lot of the time it’s just not the case.

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

So being against sluttish activity shows that I now want to control women?

Blaming sexual violence on “sluttish activity” is a pretty good indication of that.

 

[LilyM]

So I answered your questions. And I have to.agree with the orhers - they ARE irrelevant.

Having - or even promoting - a misguided view of human sexuality does not invalidate what #metoo is about, which is that no person should be subject to non-consensual sexual behaviour. Their legitimacy derives from their value as human beings, and is not reserved only for those who have or promote an orthodox Catholic view of sexuality.

 

[DarkLight]

And in all of these cases there are steps to limit the odds of abuse. Earlier, the objectification of women was mentioned, but that is just one change we can make, and may not be the most important. Other ways to limit sexual harassment and assault are; cameras in common area, window in office doors and walls, easy and safe reporting polices, safe parking, and yes, professional dress, when that is appropriate, for both men and women. This list could go on. Some of these would not only protect victims of sexual harassment and assault, but also victims of false accusation.

The thing is unless you’re getting extremely intrusive, you’re only going to get the worst end of the spectrum. Which is something good, but isn’t going to get everything.

 

[TheAmazingGrace]

Their legitimacy their value as human beings, and is not reserved only for those who have or promote an orthodox Catholic view of sexuality.

Yes. Amen.

 

[gcshapero]

Blaming sexual violence on “sluttish activity” is a pretty good indication of that.

I never said that. Not once.

 

[Lea101]

Can you explain your point then? Honestly not being snarky because I just don’t get it

 

[gcshapero]

Their legitimacy derives from their value as human beings, and is not reserved only for those who have or promote an orthodox Catholic view of sexuality.

I never once devalued their humanity. I said I think THEY do that. I think they are worth more than they treat themselves.