Opinion on the #Metoo movement

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DarkLight said:
A lot of guys justify it because in their minds if the woman is available at all, she must be available to them.
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I don’t think that’s “a lot of guys”. (Unless you mean “a lot of guys that are this disgraceful”. That I’d agree with.)

I think that’s what we’re being led to believe. But I don’t think it’s accurate.

I think a line is being fallen for in that regard.
 
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TheAmazingGrace said:
If you don’t know, then I can’t help ya buddy.
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The idea is that we’re supposed to get to the core of the issue. For all I know, you don’t know because you’re not providing a single answer. If it’s so simple, please explain;

What is sex? Why does it deserve to be liked/loved? Who as the right to engage in it?
 
“A lot of guys” in this case means something like “a proportion of guys big enough to be noticeable.” So not a large group proportionately to the total male population, but enough that dealing with one with that attitude isn’t a rare occurrence.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
Why is any of this pertinent?
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Because you’re conflating someone who likes it with someone who promotes sluttyness. Then we have to dig deeper in case some of those cases were mistaken (like Mattress Girl from Columbia for example).

You need to answer these questions first so that we know we’re on the same page.
 
Sex is lots of things - it can be an.important part of our relationship with another person, a way of forming a bond with them, of expressing love.for.them, of receiving love from them, a source of pleasure, something empowering, a reflection of God’s intimate relation with.and love of each of us.

As to who has the right - legally any consenting adults who aren’t, for example, biologically related to each other. Morally, for a Catholic it is people in a valid marriage as defined by Canon law.
 
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TheAmazingGrace said:
No, that was you. You still haven’t explained why “sluts” can’t be involved in the #MeToo movement.
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That’s what I’m trying to get to. I never said they by default can’t, but they have used it as a means to promote sluttish behavior.

It wasn’t me, it was you. I said Amber Rose promotes slut activity. You said she likes sex.

So far, you haven’t answered any of those simple questions I asked. Why are you avoiding them so much?
 
gcshapero said:
OK, well for the record, women who display themselves as sluts (knowingly too) could have easily have been abused and be against sexual abuse. However, it means they also have to take responsibility to get serious help and fight their sexual urges.
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Children get abused. Virgins get abused. Old ladies in nursing homes get abused. Hijab-observant women get abused. Yet you keep bringing up female sexuality like it’s to blame for the abuse that women (and men) endure. That’s the crux of the problem right there.
 
I wouldn’t limit it to the work environment and I won’t even say that men are the only ones causing it too. More of a societal thing maybe. It was more obvious during the rise of feminism perhaps, where women who demand rights are seen as women who are fighting against womanhood and femininity. You even see this here and other socially conservative areas. In fact women who are unattractive, big or tomboy ish are used as the face of feminism when one insults the movement.

Generally these sort of views are unfortunately pushed by both sees (basically the women who do fit into this box and enjoy being treated in such a way). I personally experienced that from certain people but it’s not as bad now. Most people here are more egalitarian now thankfully (in fact it seems like the West has some catching up to do) I tend to see the uglier side on social media now, since that’s probably the one place they can attack women without facing much consequences.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
Children get abused. Virgins get abused. Old ladies in nursing homes get abused. Hijab-observant women get abused. Yet you keep bringing up female sexuality like it’s to blame for the abuse that women (and men) endure. That’s the crux of the problem right there.
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OK, these are all other subjects, and I agree – and none of them are OK.

So far you haven’t been able to explain exactly what sex is, why it should be liked, and who God has gifted it to.

The reason why this is important is because for so many people, they don’t know what sex really is (they think pleasure is the ultimate point). They might know the activity in great detail, but that’s not the same as understanding it. They think liking the pleasure is liking sex. And they think it belongs to all who consent.

You haven’t been able to answer one single question.

I don’t think we can continue if you can’t even answer basic questions like this.
 
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Hey, i answered you freaking questions some time ago and you’ve ignored it!
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
It’s not pertinent to the discussion.
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Translation: You don’t know the answers or you would prefer to not say so as to not get to the core of the concerns.

I think we’re done. I appreciate the discussion as far as it went.
 
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Honestly I do not know your point either. Even prostitutes have the right to be upset and traumatised if they get raped. Because it’s inherently about consent…?
 
gcshapero said:
Translation: You don’t know the answers or you would prefer to not say so as to not get to the core of the concerns.
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Translation: it’s not pertinent, because your only concern is about controlling female sexuality and you have no actual interest in the well-being of your fellow humans.
 
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