Opinion Poll About President Bush

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  1. Undercutting our middle class with tax cuts designed primarily for the extreme upper class while similtanouesly putting local cities and states in budget crisis with much reduced funds to operate them safely. (Dikes protecting New Orleans)
Please, people, CIVILITY !!! They are properly called, “lesbians.”
Love, Jaypeeto2
 
There have been a lot of ad hominem attacks or namecalling on this thread. Is this in compliance with the forum rules?

Consider:
  1. George Bush’s policies are __________.
  2. George Bush is __________.
The second example is an ad hominem attack and namecalling.
 
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siamesecat:
It does make me sad how everyone was so sympathetic to us and now they all hate us. That’s the thing I dislike most about Bush. Maybe its not his fault idont know…but he comes across as arrogant and I dont like im representing us whether the war was right or not
Since when was everyone sympathetic to us???

I don’t see him as arrogant at all. I see leadership. We didn’t see that with our last President. Maybe that’s why you see arrogance.
 
Ani Ibi:
There have been a lot of ad hominem attacks or namecalling on this thread. Is this in compliance with the forum rules?

Consider:
  1. George Bush’s policies are __________.
  2. George Bush is __________.
The second example is an ad hominem attack and namecalling.
Who is being called names? The original post asked about “feelings” for our president. Is that not an acceptable question?
 
The reason why I put quotation marks around American people is that I’m canadian and I wanted to make sure that I wasn’t including myself in this assessment. The lack of a capital A in American was a typo as I’m still getting used to my new keyboard…no offense was intended…

Now to my point explained…I am fortunate enough to get both the right and left news from America. I watch both and compare. From my own conclusions and opinions, it seems to me that he walks circles around the real issues but never actually talks about them. For example, your economy is “fine”, the war in Iraq is going “well”…it seems that every mistake that occurs (that the world can see) is somehow made to be an intended part of the process. This I completely disagree with. No matter what war there has ever been, mistakes are made. This administration believes that operations are running smoothly…they’re not…1800 soliders dead is not smooth. It seems to me, and again this is my opinion only, that the administration has their head in the clouds and can’t see (or doesn’t want to see) the suffering they are causing.

For those of you who may say “well, your canadian, you have no say”, I would reply that unfortunatley, Canada is incredibly influenced my your country. Everything from retail to media to laws we pass are under the watchful eye of america. As much as I would love Canada to be it’s own country, it will never be. Mind you, I do acknowledge that Canada needs america for protection, I just can’t help believe that the President has alterior motives.

If it makes anyone feel better (not that you would care after my comments), I feel equally if not more about my own government. The Canadian government is a disgrace…
 
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sirduckjr:
Okay, everybody who says we do not show proper respect for President Bush, raise your hands if you showed that same respect towards President Clinton that you show President Bush. I don’t see any hands raised.

The polarization of this country is absolutely ugly. I voted for Bush in '00 but not in '04. I am part of the radical middle in our country, also known as road kill. Although President Bush will appoint pro-life judges and has done a moderately good job of standing up to the left on certain homosexual rights issues. His decision making has been poor in most other areas. For example, I’ll list some of his not so good accomplishments.
  1. The Iraq war. A country that did not attack us and posed very little danger for our country now has us as an occupying force, 1800 soldiers dead and 300 Billion in Treasury spent.
    They posed a very real threat to us. Don’t you remember all the other nations that were worried along with us about weapon build-up based on Hussian’s words and actions?
  2. Continued trade policies that have build up other countries infastructure and wealth (COMMUNIST CHINA) while destroying ours. Not to mention the impact China has on the demand side of the cost per barrel of oil.
Well, I’m not well-versed on that. I’d have to get back to you on that. I don’t believe he was destroying our infrastructure and wealth. Our economy is doing great.
3. Undercutting our middle class with tax cuts designed primarily for the extreme upper class while similtanouesly putting local cities and states in budget crisis with much reduced funds to operate them safely. (Dikes protecting New Orleans)

Nope. Nah. Aren’t you familiar with the child tax credits?? How could this possibility be associated with the extreme upper class. My husband and I have benefitted from President Bush’s tax credits and no one could confuse us with upper class (let alone extreme upper class)
It’s up to our states and local govts to get their own house in order. If they cut out the corruption and everyone learned to budget themselves better (households included), that would solve the problem. Instead, people want everything handed to them. (Don’t get me started on that one).
4. An inability to somewhat limit the costs associated to a barrel of oil through political pressure on oil producing countries. Yes, as leader of the free world, he can operate from his bully pulpit if he choses to. But evidently he doesn’t.

I disagree. He’s not King of the World and he was doing a pretty good job of keeping the price down before the hurricane. We just weren’t used to such a quick jump. If you go by real life pricing(everything in proportion to everything else), the prices were cheaper than the 1970’s.
5. The President has single handedly unified the entire world against us as a nation. Read world opinion about our country and their lack of sympathy at this extreme time of despair.(Hurricane Katrina) All the goodwill associated with 9/11 is gone and we are almost totally isolated.
Not everybody. You’ve got to look closer. I’m telling ya. Some of the more vocal nations are major problems because of other issues. Not because of our President. Their economies are sinking fast. Russia’s birthrate has dropped below what it would take to replace their aging population. I predict that France (a formerly Catholic country) will become a Muslim country. Germany has had problems with their economy as well as their youth. I believe that it has been a real struggle for them in reuniting their country. Euthanasia is making major inroads in some of these countries.

Ultimately, President Bush has done something I didn’t think was possible. He has so motivated the country that Democrats are once again a party of effective dissent. Not bad considering the Dems are so disfunctional they have a difficult time getting up each day just matching their socks and tying their shoes… And maybe, and I struggle with this with such ugly thoughts, helped elect Hillary R. Clinton.
God forbid.
YIKES!
 
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Thekla:
Who is being called names? The original post asked about “feelings” for our president. Is that not an acceptable question?
Who was talking about the original post? Who was inferring that the question was not acceptable? My post was about the various examples of namecalling on the thread. If you scroll down, you will find plenty of examples. So, scroll down.
 
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HomeAtLast:
Actually, I will raise my hand as far as showing respect for Clinton. He was our President. Why fight him when he has been elected and he is our President. Do the best with what you have since there is no other choice. God’s Blessings,
Ann
I gotta raise mine too. Although that respect often took the form of “if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all”. Especially with the whole Monica thing. :rolleyes:
 
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sarcophagus:
The Canadian government is a disgrace…
ah! and there is the crux of the matter. when speaking about Bush caring about money, one needs to keep the Gomery Inquiry at the front of one’s memory – what is it now? $5billion? for that matter, the $3billion that Harris/Eves ‘lost.’ The Toronto Waterfront money that was lost. The Toronto computer purchase scandal – more money that was lost. The kickback paid to the person who arranged the computer purchase – $1million.

This all happened during a time when Harris/Eves were blaming the poor for being homeless. They are still homeless.
 
Has anyone noticed that those who are demanding “respect” for GB and the Presidency as a right, are the first to rubbish Clinton and his presidency! Double standards? or just good old political baise?😃
 
I didn’t like President Clinton’s administration because in his policies he publicly advocated Abortion and Sexual Perversion. As does the Democratic party itself, and openly so. Jaypeeto2
 
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SusanL:
Since when was everyone sympathetic to us???

I don’t see him as arrogant at all. I see leadership. We didn’t see that with our last President. Maybe that’s why you see arrogance.
They were sympathetic after 9/11. Leadership and always thinking you are right and having a haughty attitude about it is arrogance. Half the time when you ask him about people dying in Iraq he appears to be laughing. I dont think hes an idiot or he means to be this way but hes just not good at being a public figure. He doesnt speak well or often show the appropriate emotions or whatever I dont know how to explain it. Some people just arent good in this kind of position. maybe his politics are good but to me and to many others his personality leaves much to be desired. People kept saying how Kerry had no personality. I agree, but I think Bush’s personality is annoying so I dont see how people could favor Bush based on that.
 
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siamesecat:
Half the time when you ask him about people dying in Iraq he appears to be laughing.
He has a weird way of holding his mouth. It looks at first as if he is smirking, which is very off-putting. I’ve seen him speak enough now to know that he isn’t smirking, it’s just the way he says things, but until you realise that it is very hard to take a lot of his statements seriously when he seems to be smirking at things.

Mike
 
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MikeWM:
He has a weird way of holding his mouth. It looks at first as if he is smirking, which is very off-putting. I’ve seen him speak enough now to know that he isn’t smirking, it’s just the way he says things, but until you realise that it is very hard to take a lot of his statements seriously when he seems to be smirking at things.

Mike
I voted “used to wholeheartedly but am starting to wonder”

I have to completely agree on this one…he is NOT an ideal public representative…but then again, I’ve seen some HORRIBLE podium types who have led me and others into situations I would never have gone much less gone with gusto…so I’m sensitive to the fact that a poor public image doesn’t mean an individual poor in character. I voted for him b/c he was the far lesser of two evils. I voted for him b/c he supports military families; we’ve seen our biggest payraise in years under his tenure, and it’s about darn time after 8yrs of status quo with previous admin. I disagree with our timing on entering Iraq – I believe it needed to happen, just not that second. I think we should have really cleaned up Afghan first, finished there and then moved on. Do I think he lied about WMD? No. Having seen Tommy Franks come thru our last base in England, I can tell you that country was filled with evil plans and underground lairs. Believe what you will, but it needed to happen, politically correct or not. I think the UN is a farce, joke, laughing stock for the mentally capable bent on feel-good statements and back door payoffs. I hope someday it either gets honest or gets disbanded. “population control” my rear! I think the decision to remain apart from this disaster until wed or whatever was poor to say the least, and I’m thankful he at least admitted it was fubar’d from the start. I don’t blame the levees on him; if you do a little research, you’d see that even if the full $102M or whatver it was requested was approved, the money would still be sitting there, waiting to be used. Crud, at the lowest levels of military spending, we are forecasting and requesting monies SEVEN years out…contracts begin SEVEN years ahead of the “project” happening…that levee money would not have been used yet. Someone explain why the city officials didn’t run every bus they owned into the heart of NO and offer free rides to the poor? And why, after you tell people “here’s a shelter for you” would you NOT stock it with water and supplies!!! That’s just plain poor planning. If I had to hear the mayor of NO rant on and on cursing and whining like a spoiled school child – what did Rudy Guiliani do when terror blew a hole in his city? He flippin stepped up and said “follow me, I know the way” – not “@#$@@D#@@%%*$#!!! FIX THIS FOR US!!!” That mayor struck me as a big whiny…ugh; my heart bleeds for the victims, but that guy made me want to throw a brick thru the screen…

phewsh…sorry – off on a rant! It just started coming…and wouldn’t stop! Bottom line, I like him, I wish the world could exist with the respect for life he has. I am not all that thrilled with his performance tho…
 
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leaner:
I voted “used to wholeheartedly but am starting to wonder”

I have to completely agree on this one…he is NOT an ideal public representative…but then again, I’ve seen some HORRIBLE podium types who have led me and others into situations I would never have gone much less gone with gusto…so I’m sensitive to the fact that a poor public image doesn’t mean an individual poor in character. I voted for him b/c he was the far lesser of two evils. I voted for him b/c he supports military families; we’ve seen our biggest payraise in years under his tenure, and it’s about darn time after 8yrs of status quo with previous admin. I disagree with our timing on entering Iraq – I believe it needed to happen, just not that second. I think we should have really cleaned up Afghan first, finished there and then moved on. Do I think he lied about WMD? No. Having seen Tommy Franks come thru our last base in England, I can tell you that country was filled with evil plans and underground lairs. Believe what you will, but it needed to happen, politically correct or not. I think the UN is a farce, joke, laughing stock for the mentally capable bent on feel-good statements and back door payoffs. I hope someday it either gets honest or gets disbanded. “population control” my rear! I think the decision to remain apart from this disaster until wed or whatever was poor to say the least, and I’m thankful he at least admitted it was fubar’d from the start. I don’t blame the levees on him; if you do a little research, you’d see that even if the full $102M or whatver it was requested was approved, the money would still be sitting there, waiting to be used. Crud, at the lowest levels of military spending, we are forecasting and requesting monies SEVEN years out…contracts begin SEVEN years ahead of the “project” happening…that levee money would not have been used yet. Someone explain why the city officials didn’t run every bus they owned into the heart of NO and offer free rides to the poor? And why, after you tell people “here’s a shelter for you” would you NOT stock it with water and supplies!!! That’s just plain poor planning. If I had to hear the mayor of NO rant on and on cursing and whining like a spoiled school child – what did Rudy Guiliani do when terror blew a hole in his city? He flippin stepped up and said “follow me, I know the way” – not “@#$@@D#@@%%*$#!!! FIX THIS FOR US!!!” That mayor struck me as a big whiny…ugh; my heart bleeds for the victims, but that guy made me want to throw a brick thru the screen…

phewsh…sorry – off on a rant! It just started coming…and wouldn’t stop! Bottom line, I like him, I wish the world could exist with the respect for life he has. I am not all that thrilled with his performance tho…
On 9/11, you didnt really need to “rescue” people…everyone was dead. In New Orleans, people are still there dying, the sick, the handicapped…they need urgent assistance NOW. Guilani offered emotional support and a brave face in a hard time. But right now in NOLA, someone better be out there saving those people and it shouldve been better planned. We knew this was coming. I think theyre completely different situations. The mayor is probably confused and devastated. Hes also being accused of not forcing people to evacuate. In NYC, no blame would rest on Guiliani. Cops are killing themselves over there with the sites theyre seeing, male news reporters are breaking down. Its an awful situation.
 
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MikeWM:
He has a weird way of holding his mouth. It looks at first as if he is smirking, which is very off-putting. I’ve seen him speak enough now to know that he isn’t smirking, it’s just the way he says things, but until you realise that it is very hard to take a lot of his statements seriously when he seems to be smirking at things.

Mike
I agree! I dont think he means to at all…but its just his facial expression. He always seems to be smirikng and chuckling…even when talking about the death toll in Iraq! Its off putting and makes me angry! I dont think he means to do it, but you think he wouldve fixed it by now! It makes him look like he takes nothing seriously.
 
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siamesecat:
On 9/11, you didnt really need to “rescue” people…everyone was dead. In New Orleans, people are still there dying, the sick, the handicapped…they need urgent assistance NOW. Guilani offered emotional support and a brave face in a hard time. But right now in NOLA, someone better be out there saving those people and it shouldve been better planned. We knew this was coming. I think theyre completely different situations. The mayor is probably confused and devastated. Hes also being accused of not forcing people to evacuate. In NYC, no blame would rest on Guiliani. Cops are killing themselves over there with the sites theyre seeing, male news reporters are breaking down. Its an awful situation.
The mayor is basically out of a job I think. The city is a wreck. 😦

I saw a video of Bush a day or two ago. He was standing with ex- Presidents Bush Sr and Clinton. He was talking about this whole disaster. He looked exhausted. His speech started out haltingly, with him stumbling over words, as he spoke about the human dimension of the disaster. Then, he got on the subject of the oil reserves, and he spoke at length about his actions to relieve high gas prices.

It was very interesting to me because he suddenly became very fluent with his speech. He accidently slipped into industry lingo, using the shortened term ‘majors’ for ‘major oil producers’ more than once, and then trying to slow down and correct himself and use the term ‘major oil producers’ so that the layman could understand him. It was like watching a medical person start using medical teminology when speaking with laymen.

I found it interesting, that’s all.
 
I guess people shouldn’t lament so much about the focus on style to substance during the elections.
 
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