Opposite-Sex Friends

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Karin:
Neither my husband or I have issues with each others opposite-sex friends because we are both secure in **ourselves **and our marriage.
ITA with this. I am not about to give up friendships I had before I even met my dh simply because we are married. Nor is he. We have become friends with each others friends, and maintained the closeness we had with our own. There is nothing I could tell my friends, male or female, that would be “embarrassing”, or “inappropriate”. There are certain things we just don’t discuss, because they are things we all consider poor taste for casual conversation. But if I’m having a bad day, and my dh is also having a bad day, it is often better for us each to turn to a sympathetic ear, than to an ear who may not be fully listening due to his/her own problems that day. And when/if we reach out to others, it is a matter of who we reach first - male or female.

Besides, in my book, friends are family. So gender means nothing - my female friends are like sisters to me, and my male friends like brothers.
 
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Karin:
either you are confident in yourself and your marriage and can have friends of the opposite sex or you are not secure and can not.

I am secure in my relationship with my husband, I just feel it is inappropriate for married people to have close friendships with opposite sex people. Maybe I am old fashioned.
I agree with your post. I will be married for 30 years in two weeks. Including the three years we dated make it 33 years together. We have a great marriage, we are and have been very secure in it. We have complete trust in one another and we are each others best friends. It has been my personal experience that Men & Women cannot be friends at least for long before you realize that while you may be totally thinking of this male as a friend and nothing more, the man thinks or is hoping that it’s going somewhere else. That has been my personal experience, so I don’t think it’s a good idea to have a close relationship with someone of the opposite sex while you are married. By that I mean, meet for lunch, talk on the phone, spend time alone just the two of you. Nope. Not a good idea.
 
I will be married for 30 years in two weeks. Including the three years we dated make it 33 years together.

Congratulations on your anniversary. That is great. 😃
 
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Karin:
either you are confident in yourself and your marriage and can have friends of the opposite sex or you are not secure and can not.

I am secure in my relationship with my husband, I just feel it is inappropriate for married people to have close friendships with opposite sex people. Maybe I am old fashioned.
Then call me old fashioned too.

What in the world would I talk about with a “man friend?” I want to talk about my recent victory potty training my son…about my husband and how he ALWAYS leaves the knife full of mayo on the counter… my bad haircut… a new pair of shoes I found on sale to die for… the stretch marks on my belly… (lift shirt… see… right here) and should I spend money on an expensive nursing bra or is Target good enough? And what is Katie Holmes thinking getting herself pregnant with cute but soooo not worth it because he’s a nutcase Tom?"

What would I even discuss with a man… power tools? sports? No thanks. My husband is all the man I need. For giggling & chatting & going out to lunch… I’ll take my girlfriends!

🙂 CM
 
I don’t see anything wrong with having friends of the opposite sex, but I agree that one shouldn’t spend very much time alone with them (and not be alone at all if they’ve cheated on their spouse in the past).
Most of my real friends are males…I would be devastated if I weren’t even allowed to visit or have a chat with them after getting married. If I were to marry the guy that I’m currently (very)interested in, we plan on basing our marraige on trust and honesty. This would mean that we would trust that the other wouldn’t do wrong with opposite-sex friends. But of course, we are all still sinners, and will be tempted, and if that temptation ever crosses my mind, I would spend less time alone with that person, and make it more of a group thing.
 
carol marie:
What would I even discuss with a man… power tools? sports? No thanks. My husband is all the man I need. For giggling & chatting & going out to lunch… I’ll take my girlfriends!

🙂 CM
Let’s see we discussed child rearing, how men and women communicate differently, lifes ups and downs, religion, politics, current events. I do have very close female friends and there definately things I discuss with them that I would not discuss with a male friend. But guys actually do talk about more then sports and power tools.

My husband is my best friend and we talk about everything (things I won’t share with anyone else.) But having friends of the opposite sex doesn’t take away from that. They’re friends- people I enjoy talking to.

Ofcourse that doesn’t mean everyone should or has to have friends of the opposite sex but I don’t think someone should feel guilty for having friends of the opposite sex unless their is reason to believe the friendship has become more romantic in nature.

That being said, like I stated before. If my husband was uncomfortable with it then I wouldn’t continue the friendship. He knows he’s my first priority.
 
“What would I discuss?”

Uhh… the weather. Issues in the news. Religion. Books we’ve both read. Ideas about hobbies. Our pets. Whether or not that shirt he’s wearing looks silly. Food.

My husband and I both have friends of the opposite sex. We made our wedding vows very seriously, and we take them very seriously. We know that it is possible for opposite sex friendship to become romantic. We don’t let it- if it happened, we would discuss it and terminate the friendship.

My husband just pointed out over my shoulder that temptation can happen if you work with or are near anyone of the opposite sex. It comes down to fidelity, care, and trust. I value my male friends. I don’t see why I should have ended our friendships when I was married out of fear that I might eventually cheat.
 
Did any of you go through pre-marital courses before you were Married? My son and his wife did a few years ago and they said that they were told that it wasn’t a good idea to have a female friend if you were a male and vice-versa, to which they both agreed. She has a lot of female friends and he has a lot of male friends and that all get along but she doesn’t go out just with male’s and he doesn’t go anywhere with the females alone. They also have Married friends and they are the one’s that they find themselves with the most.
Same in our Marriage, we don’t have opposite sex friends either, and I can tell you one reason why (based on experience) and we have been Married for 29 years, it has been my experience that any man in the past who wanted to be my “friend” wasn’t just looking for my friendship. I never imagined that there could be anything wrong with it either, until I found out that men pretty much (over all) don’t really want a female Married friend unless they are looking to cheat. If your husband’s don’t really mind, perhaps it’s because they prefer spending time with the opposite sex friends that they have.
One other thing, does the wife of the man that you spend time with appove of your friendship too rayne? Or does she even care?
I am not saying that there is no such thing as having opposite sex friends w/o other intentions, I am just saying based on experience it’s NOT a good idea. No matter how secure and trusting your spouse is. Just my :twocents:
 
Evil temptation conforms itself into anything you want to see in order for it to see you fall. As much as I want to say I don’t agree with “close” male/female relationships of married persons not married to each other; I do believe it’s possible to have such a relationship. I have a friend that has been my friend for over 6 years and we started out as boss/subordinate because I’m an officer and he’s a non-commissioned officer and he was my NCO. We maintained a very professional relationship while on duty, we maintained a good friendship, albeit within regulations, while off duty and when we both got out of the military, we became great friends. I helped him get through his divorce because he had no one else to turn to and he’s helped me change a flat tire on my truck while my husband was in the field. (Not that I’m totally helpless, but my tire some how rusted to the bolts) Anyway… we don’t talk about totally personal issues, but I do give him advice on his girlfriend when he asks (and only if I’ve met her), I gripe about my kids when I’ve had a bad day and dh is in the field (go figure), he calls me to let me know how his classes are going, I call him just to say hi. There is no threat and believe it or not, he’s the only man in my life that is not related to me that my husband doesn’t feel threatened by. He’s also the only man in my life that my husband will actually talk with! Most men that talk to me, my husband is there behind me giving death daggers to any man and 99% of the time, it scares the bejibbers out of them. But I’m old fashioned also… I only have one male friend and he’s been through my DH’s scrutiny… all others… forget it. HOWEVER… I can get insanely protective about my husband of any woman that comes to talk to him. I do know my husband well enough that he wouldn’t even come close to thinking anything immoral.

Anyway… if you’re secure in yourself, your marriage, have faith and trust in your spouse, you wouldn’t let anything negative impact that relationship. Trust your spouse if there is an opposite-sex friend and your spouse feels uncomfortable. Sometimes they pick up the vibes that you’re missing that can cause evil. That’s why I always trust my husband… he’s really good at it.

My friend also happens to be Jewish so I’ve learned alot from him and he’s learned alot about Catholicism from me and enough that his girlfriend is Catholic so he said he actually has a clue as to what she talks about sometimes! :))
 
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allhers:
Did any of you go through pre-marital courses before you were Married? My son and his wife did a few years ago and they said that they were told that it wasn’t a good idea to have a female friend if you were a male and vice-versa, to which they both agreed.
We did our Engaged Encounter weekend, and never were we told we shouldn’t have opposite-sex friends. I guess it all depends on the opinions of those teaching the courses.
it has been my experience that any man in the past who wanted to be my “friend” wasn’t just looking for my friendship. I never imagined that there could be anything wrong with it either, until I found out that men pretty much (over all) don’t really want a female Married friend unless they are looking to cheat. If your husband’s don’t really mind, perhaps it’s because they prefer spending time with the opposite sex friends that they have.
How sad to reduce men to nothing but constant humans who automatically start thinking impure thoughts about every female they encounter. My male friends, who are also married and secure in their marriages, would definitely be offended by your above statement. As would my husband. A good, decent man values friendships just as women do - they’re not looking to cheat, they’re looking to have a friendship with someone they share common values with. I’m sorry your experiences with men have obviously not been with many good ones, but please - don’t generalize men. They’re not all alike.
 
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momof3boys:
It has been my personal experience that Men & Women cannot be friends at least for long before you realize that while you may be totally thinking of this male as a friend and nothing more, the man thinks or is hoping that it’s going somewhere else.
I have many friends of the opposite sex as my husband does also…none of our friends male or female are interested in anything other than friendship and they do not equate sex with friendship or attempting to breakup a marriage as friendship.
 
carol marie:
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momof3boys:
Then call me old fashioned too.

What in the world would I talk about with a “man friend?” I want to talk about my recent victory potty training my son…about my husband and how he ALWAYS leaves the knife full of mayo on the counter… my bad haircut… a new pair of shoes I found on sale to die for… the stretch marks on my belly… (lift shirt… see… right here) and should I spend money on an expensive nursing bra or is Target good enough? And what is Katie Holmes thinking getting herself pregnant with cute but soooo not worth it because he’s a nutcase Tom?"

What would I even discuss with a man… power tools? sports? No thanks. My husband is all the man I need. For giggling & chatting & going out to lunch… I’ll take my girlfriends!

🙂 CM
LOL!!! You can talk to a man about anything that you can talk to a woman about.
 
~Jenn~:
How sad to reduce men to nothing but constant humans who automatically start thinking impure thoughts about every female they encounter. My male friends, who are also married and secure in their marriages, would definitely be offended by your above statement. As would my husband. A good, decent man values friendships just as women do - they’re not looking to cheat, they’re looking to have a friendship with someone they share common values with. I’m sorry your experiences with men have obviously not been with many good ones, but please - don’t generalize men. They’re not all alike.
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Totally agree!!!
 
When a teacher (Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, etc.) gives a lesson that says that male/female friendships are impossible or innately sinful – I tend to raise an eyebrow. While it may be wrong for some, I find no support in Catholic Doctrine or Scripture to support such.

A place I’ve researched is the CCC:

**“2347 The virtue of chastity blossoms in friendship. It shows the disciple how to follow and imitate him who has chosen us as his friends, who has given himself totally to us and allows us to participate in his divine estate. Chastity is a promise of immortality. **

Chastity is expressed notably in friendship with one’s neighbor. Whether it develops between persons of the same or opposite sex, friendship represents a great good for all. It leads to spiritual communion.”

As you can see, the teaching of the Catholic Church does not state that married people cannot have friends of the opposite sex (unless we cease to be persons when we wed…)

From Scripture, it seems Jesus had friends of the opposite sex – In Luke 10 and again in John 11 the Gospel writers show us Jesus interacting with Mary, Martha and Lazarus – His friends.

Before responding, I read again Romans 14, especially verse 3:

“3 **** The one who eats must not despise the one who abstains, and the one who abstains must not pass judgment on the one who eats; for God has welcomed him.”

P.S. In the other thread, someone posted about C. S. Lewis’ “The Four Loves” – a fantastic book, and according to Mr. Lewis’ personal secretary, a book that JPII held in esteem (interview with this secretary on “The Journey Home”). I’d suggest that book to anyone.
 
There is alot of truth in what people on both sides say about this. In no cases should a friendship with another person (regardless of gender) supplant or supercede the friendship between spouses joined in a Sacramental Marriage. At the same time, a fully developed Sacramental Marriage will encourage the development of meaningful relationships with other people. Kage referenced my reference in the other thread of C.S. Lewis’ book “Four Loves” and the fact that it was held in high esteem by Pope JPII (this is welcome news to me as it is also one of my favorites). In this book it describes four loves (The four Greek words for our word love are “storge” (affection), “philia” (friendship), “eros” (sexual or romantic love) and “agape” (selfless love)). Our love for our spouse should include all four loves as it is the ultimate and best reflection of God’s love for us. Our love for our friends and family includes one or both of storge and philia. Our love for our children should include all except for eros.

Because God is love, the love we have of ourselves and others is a reflection of how much we experience the infinite love of God. Personally, prior to meeting my wife and her becoming my best friend, I had two best friends (one female and one male) since childhood. These people were with me when my parents divorced, we went thru puberty and all that entails, and vital as we all took our first truly independent steps into the world. For me to every deny my philia and storge love for them would be as unnatural as to deny my philia and storge love for my siblings.

These relationships are fully intact (granted we see each other less than we did but the love is undiminished). My male friend and I try to get together for a hunting or golf weekend annually. My female friend and I see each other probably 3-4 times every decade but we do exchange emails (usually just a joke or article/email about a mutual friend but sometimes a family or personal update) at least monthly and call each other around each other’s birthday. My wife encourages both relationships equally becuase she understands how important these people have always been, the role they have played in teh person that I am, and their love for me allows me to love others better. Their spouses are equally encouraging.

Next to my wife, mother and siblings, these two people know me better than anyone else. Outside of family, in a crisis, they are people to whom I’d turn. If something would happen to my wife, they would be at my doorstep as fast as they could and knowing this is of great comfort to me.

I recognize that my opportunity to have such a close relationship with this person is enhanced becuase the friendship developed years before we had entered puberty and that an eros relationship was never contemplated by either for us (I will admit that we did have one ill-advised high school make-out session that caused a great deal of consternation and confusion at the time but was soon resolved). If our friendship had developed later, it would not be as deep and the clarity regarding it being non-eros would have been more difficult to have been resolved.

My point is that the statements that such a relationship with a member of the opposite gender is banned, prohibited or otherwise unwise in all situations is not true. In fact, as I progress on my faith journey with God and gain a greater understanding of God’s unlimited and unconditional love for me, I realize that all the love He gives me fills first my “reservoir” for me to love myself but then through prayer, adoration, worship, etc. as I experience more of God’s love, the overflow is what I have left for others. It pleases God to see how much philia and storge love I have for these two people. My love for these two people will never equal, supplant, or supercede my love for my wife but instead enhances all four of my loves for my wife.
 
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allhers:
One other thing, does the wife of the man that you spend time with appove of your friendship too rayne? Or does she even care?
Well I’ve never come out and asked do you approve of the friendship between me and your husband? But she’s never given me any indication that she doesn’t approve. Up until recently he was the manager at the store I worked and she came in often with kids. She was always very friendly to me. When he remodeled the house he invited me over to see it -ofcourse she was there. I brought pie and we sat in their kitchen talking and laughing.

I’ve know John since I was 22 and I didn’t like him at all as a manager when I first met him. He left to go to another store for a while and when he came back he had gotten married. I told him marriage was good for her personality.😃 He loves his wife very much and takes his faith very seriously. If I thought for one second he was interested in more then friendship that would be the end of it.

He loves debating religion with people and when he first found out I was Catholic he thought I was an easy target. Ahh… but he was mistaken.;)(I was reading my Bible at work and he picked it up to see what translation it was.) We’ve had some very heated debates over the years. Lately we’ve found ourselves on the same side opposite the liberal Christians in the work place.

His wife knows what we talk about because he’ll often say “I was talking to my wife about we talked about the other day she said…”

Last year I had dropped my daughter off at catechism and went shopping at a plaza near where I work for Christmas presents. WHen I went back to my car it wouldn’t start. I panicked because I knew my daughter would be scared if I didn’t show up. My parents phone line was busy and my husband worked too far away to get to her in time. I called my work and he offered me his car to pick her up and then go to my parents house (apparently they had accidently left the phone off the hook.) Before he handed me his car keys he said “You have to say one thing.” I said “What?” He said you have to say “The Baptist saved you.” 😃

I’ve had other male co-worker friends over the years. One guy was like ten years younger and trust me he was not interested in more then just friendship. We shared the same taste in music and he was Catholic too, he would side with me against John in our debates.

Not all guys are just interested in one thing. You may have had some bad experiences. That has not been my experience and trust me I’m not naive enough not to notice.
 
I am a widow, and have in the past found myself the object of jealousy because I have males friends whose female partners (wives or girlfriends) objected to their relationships with me. My attitude for a long time was to feel victimized by their insecurities. As my Catholic faith has deepened over the past five years, I realized that I had a part in causing their insecurities. It is not because I am a raving beauty (although I am of course - ok, just kidding). It was because I was not honoring their relationship.

I have, in the past few years, made it a point to become friends with both members of a couple. If there is a husband and wife, and I meet the husband in my 12 step meeting and become friends with him I make it a point to seek out his wife at an open function, introduce myself and then I purposely include her in conversations when she is present. While I do not violate any confidences he may place in me as a fellow group member, neither do I try and make her feel excluded in anyway.

The same goes with anyone I meet at work or at Church. It is my responsibility to honor the relationship of husband and wife. While I have a good, close relationship with the Director of Relgious Education at our Parish (he is going to guide and help me during my formation year as a Marian Catechist) I also honor the fact that he is a married man with a beautiful wife and five children. When I see her, I say hello, I stop and talk with her, and share the surface of issues I talked about with Dino and I do not try and be smug about my relationship with her husband. She is his wife, and she deserves respect.

I don’t know if this helps with the discussion at all but it is my two cents worth…😛
 
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Karin:
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Lucania:
I have many friends of the opposite sex as my husband does also…none of our friends male or female are interested in anything other than friendship and they do not equate sex with friendship or attempting to breakup a marriage as friendship.
This has also been my experience…in fact, I sometimes feel that like maybe I should be insulted when people claim men cannot be friends with women for long…like maybe those who have been longtime, good friends with me think I’m ugly or something.
 
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gavin52:
Opposite-sex friends. Are they okay in a marriage? Absolutely not. Any Catholic should know that. I am rather ashamed that there are Catholics on this board that believe it’s perfectly okay.
Also, and I do not mean any disrespect towards the OP, but unless one can show me where in the Catechism it says that Opposite-sex friends are forbidden when one is married, I think it is presumptious to presume that ‘any Catholic should know’ that it is wrong to have an opposite sex friend once you are married.
 
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allhers:
Did any of you go through pre-marital courses before you were Married? My son and his wife did a few years ago and they said that they were told that it wasn’t a good idea to have a female friend if you were a male and vice-versa, to which they both agreed.
Any orthodox pre-cana class will teach this. The state of society and marriage in this country and the world has deteriorated to such a sad state that many people believe it to be alright to have close friends of the opposite-sex in a Sacramental marriage. This is foolish and playing into the devil’s hands. Satan knows full well that once he plants a seed he’s opened a crack into the marriage that he can utilize to cause the destruction of the marriage at first opportunity. Satan makes us become content with the little things that drag us slowly into the big sins. We are humans and are naturally attracted to the opposite-sex. It’s a foolish and in fact a near occasion of sin to become close too an opposite-sex friend.
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allhers:
…any man in the past who wanted to be my “friend” wasn’t just looking for my friendship. I never imagined that there could be anything wrong with it either, until I found out that men pretty much (over all) don’t really want a female Married friend unless they are looking to cheat. If your husband’s don’t really mind, perhaps it’s because they prefer spending time with the opposite sex friends that they have.
It’s true that most men will not become too close with married women unless there is atleast a possibilty of cheating. I saw a poll sometime in the past where this was asked and the men by far said the ‘possibility of cheating’ is why they spent their time and energy cultivating the friendship. Sadly, women fall prey to this all the time.
 
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