Opposite-Sex Friends

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WindyFire12:
We are humans and are naturally attracted to the opposite-sex…
I am sorry to state that I do not fit in with your general comment here…the only man I am physically attracted to is my husband…have you really looked at the men out there…fat and bald…UGH really that does not turn me on…so thank you but I will pass on all of those other men 😃
 
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LSK:
Also, and I do not mean any disrespect towards the OP, but unless one can show me where in the Catechism it says that Opposite-sex friends are forbidden when one is married, I think it is presumptious to presume that ‘any Catholic should know’ that it is wrong to have an opposite sex friend once you are married.
This has to be qualified with “close”. Having close opposite-sex friends is a foolish thing to do. One thing that you can find in the Catechism is ‘Near occasion of sin’ - We are humans and will naturally be attracted to the opposite sex. It’s sinful to put ourselves in situations could possibly lead us to sin. And it’s foolish to believe that we could never be tempted in that situation. Like I said in a previous post Satan leads us to believe things are copacetic. He gets us to accept the little things to draw us into the sins in which we loose are souls. Am I saying that everyone who has close friends of the opposite-sex is going to end up being unfaithful to their spouses? No. But merely making that a possibly is a sin in and of itself.
 
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Karin:
I am sorry to state that I do not fit in with your general comment here…the only man I am physically attracted to is my husband…have you really looked at the men out there…fat and bald…UGH really that does not turn me on…so thank you but I will pass on all of those other men 😃
You don’t have to be physically attracted to someone to become unfaithful to your spouse. If you are emotionally attracted to someone other than your spouse then you are being unfaithful.

And believe it or not woman tend to be attracted to the emotional qualities of a personal while men tend to be attracted to the physical qualities. Many times when women cheat they cheat because they’ve become emotionally attracted to a male. The male on the otherhand usually attracted to the physical aspect. Have you ever heard of the phrase, “A man will give love to get sex and a woman will give sex to get love”?
 
So perhaps men and woman should be seperated in the work place also…that way their is no temptation. Perhaps men should only see male Dr.'s and woman should only see female Dr.'s once agian avoiding the temptation…can you see how ridiculos these things sound…because this is what you are saying…keep the sexes seperate to totally avoid any temptation? !
 
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WindyFire12:
Have you ever heard of the phrase, “A man will give love to get sex and a woman will give sex to get love”?
Nope never heard that phrase.
 
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WindyFire12:
This has to be qualified with “close”. Having close opposite-sex friends is a foolish thing to do. One thing that you can find in the Catechism is ‘Near occasion of sin’ - We are humans and will naturally be attracted to the opposite sex. It’s sinful to put ourselves in situations could possibly lead us to sin. And it’s foolish to believe that we could never be tempted in that situation. Like I said in a previous post Satan leads us to believe things are copacetic. He gets us to accept the little things to draw us into the sins in which we loose are souls. Am I saying that everyone who has close friends of the opposite-sex is going to end up being unfaithful to their spouses? No. But merely making that a possibly is a sin in and of itself.
As the scripture posted above tells us, we should not put each other down for not having the same temptatins (my paraphrase). What is a near occasion of sin for one person may be a joy for another. Wine as wonderful to me, to an alcoholic - it is a near occasion of sin.

What is your take on ccc 2347?
 
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Karin:
So perhaps men and woman should be seperated in the work place also…that way their is no temptation. Perhaps men should only see male Dr.'s and woman should only see female Dr.'s once agian avoiding the temptation…can you see how ridiculos these things sound…because this is what you are saying…keep the sexes seperate to totally avoid any temptation? !
No. I think you and maybe others here are missing the point. I am saying CLOSE friends of the opposite-sex are wrong because they could tempt us to bring that friendship past just being close.

What you are saying are people are crazed lust driven creatures that will jump on anything of the opposite-sex at the slightest attraction. No, that is not true. It takes a will to build an attraction to someone and that effort is done while cultivating a close personal friendship. That close personal friendship could lead us to into temptation because we are humans and have been naturally instilled with an attraction to the opposite sex.
 
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WindyFire12:
Any orthodox pre-cana class will teach this. The state of society and marriage in this country and the world has deteriorated to such a sad state that many people believe it to be alright to have close friends of the opposite-sex in a Sacramental marriage. This is foolish and playing into the devil’s hands. Satan knows full well that once he plants a seed he’s opened a crack into the marriage that he can utilize to cause the destruction of the marriage at first opportunity. Satan makes us become content with the little things that drag us slowly into the big sins. We are humans and are naturally attracted to the opposite-sex. It’s a foolish and in fact a near occasion of sin to become close too an opposite-sex friend.
I agree that developing a new relationship during the early years of a marriage can be dangerous and potentially unwise. As a marriage sponsor couple at our parish, we discuss with the couples that one of their first “tasks” as a married couple is to develop friendships with couples and that past relationships that don’t include both spouses have to clearly become secondary. However, it is unnatural to deny a philia love relationship that existed prior to the relationship between the spouses. Additionally, it is fully appropriate for philia friendships to develop later in the marriage that are no threat to the marriage. In fact, the healthier the marriage the more likely such relationships are to develop. While we all have proclivities to sin in different ways, not every person’s “cross” is sexual in nature.

Personally, my wife and I agree that it is unfortunate that her life (we attribute it to how she reacted to the dysfunction in her family life) before me never allowed her to develop deep philia love relationships outside her family and that today they all exist within her and my family. Being the generious person she is, she does have many storge love relationships, especially w/ some of the older people in our parish. If she develops a philia relationship now, I would encourage it without regard to the person’s gender. Her love for me is very Christ-liek and encompasses all four loves (storge, philia, eros and agape). As her four loves for me are complete, she is only capable of developing neq storge and philia relationships.

Furthermore, if my observations of marriages that get in trouble, there is significantly more risk associated with relationships that start in the workplace without the knowledge of the other spouse than ones that develop in the full sunshine of the knowledge of the other spouse.
 
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Karin:
Nope never heard that phrase.
Well now you did 🙂 .

I’ve come across it many times in books about morality in marriage and chastity. It stems from a man’s natural attraction to the physical aspect and a woman’s natual attraction to the emotional aspect.
 
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WindyFire12:
No. I think you and maybe others here are missing the point. I am saying CLOSE friends of the opposite-sex are wrong because they could tempt us to bring that friendship past just being close.

What you are saying are people are crazed lust driven creatures that will jump on anything of the opposite-sex at the slightest attraction. No, that is not true. It takes a will to build an attraction to someone and that effort is done while cultivating a close personal friendship. That close personal friendship could lead us to into temptation because we are humans and have been naturally instilled with an attraction to the opposite sex.
I have many men in my life that I condsider “close personal friends” I am in no way attracted to them…what part of this is hard for you to understand? Not everyone as other posters have written are attracted to their close friends.
It would seem to me if you are strong in your marriage, religion and self this is a non-issue…if you are not then you have issues with close personal friends of the same sex.
 
~Jenn~:
We did our Engaged Encounter weekend, and never were we told we shouldn’t have opposite-sex friends. I guess it all depends on the opinions of those teaching the courses.

How sad to reduce men to nothing but constant humans who automatically start thinking impure thoughts about every female they encounter. My male friends, who are also married and secure in their marriages, would definitely be offended by your above statement. As would my husband. A good, decent man values friendships just as women do - they’re not looking to cheat, they’re looking to have a friendship with someone they share common values with. I’m sorry your experiences with men have obviously not been with many good ones, but please - don’t generalize men. They’re not all alike.
then read all of what I posted please
“I am not saying that there is no such thing as having opposite sex friends w/o other intentions, I am just saying based on MY experience it’s NOT a good idea. No matter how secure and trusting your spouse is. Just my (two cents)”.

 
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Karin:
I have many men in my life that I condsider “close personal friends” I am in no way attracted to them…what part of this is hard for you to understand? Not everyone as other posters have written are attracted to their close friends.
Nothing is hard for me to understand and of course none of the others have said they are attracted to their friends. That would destroy their argument. Also, you are attracted to them in such a way they you like their friendship. So there is attraction there. Enough attraction for you to consider them “close”. You know, most cheating starts out with people who are “just friends”. And both of them usually believe it will never go beyond friendship but somtimes it does. That’s the ‘seed’ Satan plants and it’s what he tempts us with. That is why it’s wrong to have close opposite-sex friends. Am I saying you’ll eventually cheat with one of you close male friends? Absolutely not.

Let me ask you this. What are those close friends there for? What do that have that your husband doesn’t have? If nothing, then why not share that closeness with your husband? If there is something then they are filling the void or quality that your husband doesn’t have. In a Sacramental marriage we are to share ourselves 100% with our spouses. All closeness is to be reserved for them and them exclusively. If something is lacked we shouldn’t go out searching for that in members of the opposite-sex. We should work with our spouses to fix what is lacking.
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Karin:
It would seem to me if you are strong in your marriage, religion and self this is a non-issue…if you are not then you have issues with close personal friends of the same sex.
Even the most holiest of men have been tripped up. Go back to the OT and read about all the prophets that Satan was able to draw into sin. So having strong faith is not a reason to justify an action. If that was the case, people of strong faith could watch all the filth on TV and in the movies because they know it’s wrong but their faith would not allow it to affect them. In reality those that do justify in that way have all ready been affected. They have become accepting of evil.
 
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kage_ar:
As the scripture posted above tells us, we should not put each other down for not having the same temptatins (my paraphrase). What is a near occasion of sin for one person may be a joy for another. Wine as wonderful to me, to an alcoholic - it is a near occasion of sin.

What is your take on ccc 2347?
I agree with it. I have never been against opposite-sex friends. I don’t agree with having CLOSE opposite-sex friends. That closeness is reserved for a person’s spouse. Exclusively and in totality.

As humans we are naturally attracted to the opposite-sex. God has instilled that in us. So I would say being close to a member of the opposite-sex is a near occasion of sin for everyone.
 
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momof3boys:
WindyFire, I absolutely agree with your post!
Thank you! I was wondering where all the other posters with the same viewpoints have went. It seemed like only the people in disagreement where still here 😦
 
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WindyFire12:
Thank you! I was wondering where all the other posters with the same viewpoints have went. It seemed like only the people in disagreement where still here 😦
I am in total agreement with you. I am busy at work so I can’t really post to much but I’ve been checking the posts every now and then.

I’ll post alittle later but for now I don’t think I came across anything that you said that I do not agree with.

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From WindyFire: Let me ask you this. What are those close friends there for? What do that have that your husband doesn’t have? If nothing, then why not share that closeness with your husband? If there is something then they are filling the void or quality that your husband doesn’t have.
I could take that argument and extend it to why have any friends besides your spouse.
In a Sacramental marriage we are to share ourselves 100% with our spouses. All closeness is to be reserved for them and them exclusively. If something is lacked we shouldn’t go out searching for that in members of the opposite-sex. We should work with our spouses to fix what is lacking.
You seem to keep melding all Love together as one and denying that love can encompass different types. You also seem to believe that any love I have for another is love denied my wife. When you think of God’s love for us which is infinite and us being made in His image, our love isn’t finite but can overflow as His love is overflowing. While my storge, philia, and agape love is greatest for my wife (eros love is exclusively hers), the greater I EXPERIENCE and FEEL God’s love the greater my ability to have philia, storge and even agape love for others without diminishing at all my loves for my wife.
Even the most holiest of men have been tripped up. Go back to the OT and read about all the prophets that Satan was able to draw into sin. So having strong faith is not a reason to justify an action. If that was the case, people of strong faith could watch all the filth on TV and in the movies because they know it’s wrong but their faith would not allow it to affect them. In reality those that do justify in that way have all ready been affected. They have become accepting of evil.
You also seem to assert that everyone has the same proclivity to succumb to sexual sin. This is not true. One’s temptation to sin maybe sexual but anothers can just as easily be one or more of the other seven deadly sins.

If in your situation one or both of you struggle with this, opposite gender friends is unwise. But it is unfair to project your problem onto others. I for one have enough problems that God and I are fervently and earnestly working on. I am blessed with my philia love friends as they are instruments that God is using to help me overcome my particular sinful nature.
 
I wouldn’t for any reason.
Not that I don’t trust myself or my hubby, but because it may give a bad appearance to others. Why take the chance?
 
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