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Isaac14
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Why do we need immediate infallibility?Point is that there is no immediate infallible way to interpret them. That is how Orthodoxy works, correct?
Why do we need immediate infallibility?Point is that there is no immediate infallible way to interpret them. That is how Orthodoxy works, correct?
I didn’t claim you need it until now. But you don’t have one and neither do Protestants- in that you are alike.Why do we need immediate infallibility?
I guess we could say that Catholics believe in “Councils, Church Fathers, Scripture and the Pope” alone!I would say “Ecumenical Councils, Church Fathers and Scripture” alone![]()
So all Orthodox churches are in full communion with one another?? Please dont make me do your homework for you.Do we? What fundamental disagreements do we have? What do we refuse to recognize in each others practices?
I’m still not clear on where that occured. There have not been any statements made that contractidct Church teaching. What I have seen is your pride cloud your judgment and lead you to rash, disingenuous assumptions based on what others have stated… such as concluding that Orthodox are Protestants, which was NOT stated or even implied.Would it contradict Catholic Church teaching to have or express a mistaken opinion/position regarding the Eastern Orthodox Church?
Russia broke Eucharistic communion with the EP. Antioch and Jerusalem both broke Eucharistic communion with one another. However, they all see one another as part of the Church. As a matter of fact, as a Greek Orthodox Christian, my hierarchy has no issue with me approaching the Chalice at a Russian Orthodox Church. Again, it’s Russia who broke communion. In fact, in many cases there are Russians communing in Greek Churches and visa versa because there are no other Orthodox Churches in town. As embarrassing as this is, and I believe it is very embarrassing, this is an ancient practice.So all Orthodox churches are in full communion with one another??
Haha! I am not an amateur. I get you are obviously on fire for Catholic apologetics, as I once was, so I do not take offense with the tone.Please dont make me do your homework for you.
Well, I am an amateur. I’ll take the compliment nonetheless ) I’ll look up a few things and answer your question as best as I can, the next chance I get.Haha! I am not an amateur. I get you are obviously on fire for Catholic apologetics, as I once was, so I do not take offense with the tone.
what about the relationship with the Oriental Orthodox? has it gotten better over the recent decades? do EOs consider OOs to be closer than say Rome?Where do Orthodox Churches not agree on doctrine? Whether Greek, Russian, Antiochian, we share the same faith.
In Christ,
ZP
Yes - and we’re all still (indirectly) in communion with one another - Russia communes with the OCA which communes with Greece. It’s like a cut on a body: the body is still intact even if 2 pieces of skin aren’t touching.Russia broke Eucharistic communion with the EP. Antioch and Jerusalem both broke Eucharistic communion with one another. However, they all see one another as part of the Church. As a matter of fact, as a Greek Orthodox Christian, my hierarchy has no issue with me approaching the Chalice at a Russian Orthodox Church. Again, it’s Russia who broke communion.
Also true. An occasional flare-up happens almost regularly throughout Church history and it’s always resolved. The last time was in the 90s.As embarrassing as this is, and I believe it is very embarrassing, this is an ancient practice.
That’s a good question. I wish I could answer that.what about the relationship with the Oriental Orthodox? has it gotten better over the recent decades? do EOs consider OOs to be closer than say Rome?
in terms of marriage - I saw on Youtube - a Coptic priest saying things are in good terms between EOs and the Orientals. such matters have been taken care of.That’s a good question. I wish I could answer that.
However, this has nothing to do with doctrine, etc.
ZP
In my limited experience it is getting better. My EO parish is the only Orthodox parish of any kind (Eastern or Oriental) for at least a four hour drive in any direction. We provide spiritual care for Copts and Eritrean/Ethiopian OO, baptizing their children, sharing the Eucharist, etc. we’re not under the illusion that the communion has been restored between our churches, but we also recognize that due to circumstances of distance it makes no sense not to be open to their participation in parish life.what about the relationship with the Oriental Orthodox? has it gotten better over the recent decades?
Interesting, I have never heard of Coptic birches. Do they grow in groves along the Nile?Coptic birches
No I don’t see the parallel.Let’s take principle of Sola Scriptura vs Catholic view. Sola Scriptura says that Scripture itself is sufficient and doesn’t provide authentic interpretation. Catholic Church provides way of authentic interpretation through living Magisterium.
Now let’s take principle of “solely Tradition”. Anglicans, Sedevacantists and Orthodox all say that Ecumenical Councils, Church Fathers and Scripture are infallible- which we agree with. But they provide no authentic way to Infallibility interpret those Church Fathers, Ecumenical Councils and Scripture. Catholic Church does provide that.
See the parallel?