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**It is nice to share my questions with U(we are all sons of jesus)
I am orthodox and egyptian
I would like to ask about :
are differences between the orthodox and the catholic make a community right and the other one wrong

so god accept one and reject the other one

excuse me if my english is not good**
 
Hi buddy. As far as I can remember from my class on the subject we are discussing, the only big difference is in the Creed where we say the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father & the Son. You folks say from the Father and leave it at that. Then there is the paple athority thing.

I say we get back together & let the theologens work it out 😃 Lock them up in a big room until they have it solved & everybody agrees 😉 Enough of this being apart :tiphat: Next pope could be anyone from what is now the Orthodox or Catholic Church.
 
I don’t think it’s realistic to expect the next Bishop of Rome to be elected from the Orthodox Church, but it’s not outside possibility to elect an Eastern Catholic hierarch.

After all, Patriarch Lubomyr, who was quite visible at the last conclave, was papabile.
 
Ahlan wa Sahlan, Minamagdy!

I am afraid that I cannot really help you with your question, since I am just a simple Catholic believer and I do not really understand a lot of the issues that split the One True Church into two, but I suggest that you should post this question in the “Eastern Catholicism” sub-forum. Usually questions about Orthodox beliefs and especially the differences between the Catholics and Orthodox go there, and they often get a lot of responses from the many Orthodox posters we have here.

Good luck!
 
Basically, the issues are mostly political that lead to theological. The filioque is a little different (the part of the Creed where we added “And the Son.”

Catholics hold that Orthodox are scismatic. They have valid sacraments and they contain almost all of the Truth reveiled by God on earth. A member of an Orthodox Church has access to all of the same graces that a Catholic does, with the exception of those tied to the papacy.

Catholics would say that it is not about who is right and wrong or who God accepts or denies, but about who is closer to the Truth. It would be like taking a test. Catholics would score 100% and the Orthodox 92%. Both make an A and are considered the same in the grand scheme of things.

This does not mean that a Catholic can bounce back and forth between them.
 
dzheremi said:
Ahlan wa Sahlan, Minamagdy!

I am afraid that I cannot really help you with your question, since I am just a simple Catholic believer and I do not really understand a lot of the issues that split the One True Church into two, but I suggest that you should post this question in the “Eastern Catholicism” sub-forum. Usually questions about Orthodox beliefs and especially the differences between the Catholics and Orthodox go there, and they often get a lot of responses from the many Orthodox posters we have here.

Good luck!
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Hi dzheremi,

It’s been awhile since I visited the Eastern Catholicism Forum, so I can neither confirm nor contradict that statement (the one I highlighted). But supposing it’s true, why do you think that would be? Are there some who regard EOs as “Eastern Catholic”?
 
Dirk_Skene said:
Hi buddy. As far as I can remember from my class on the subject we are discussing, the only big difference is in the Creed where we say the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father & the Son. You folks say from the Father and leave it at that. Then there is the paple athority thing.
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You’re right, those are two major issues.

The only thing I would add is that I think the latter issue (the Papacy) is more major than the former (the filioque).
 
The Filioque issue has already been resolved. Considering that in the past, the Orthodoxy has already rejoined into the Catholic Church, it tells us who branched off from whom later again 😛

I hold to this belief: there is no reunification possible without the Roman Pontiff.

The sooner our Orthodox brethren accept the supremacy of the Pope, the better for us all 🙂
 
Mickey said:
When in reality, it is the Catholics who are schismatic. 😉
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Well, that is a matter of perspective. However, it does lead me to a good question: do the Orthodox hold the inverse veiw of Catholics? Are we possessors of most of the truth and all valid sacraments or are we heretical and in trouble?
 
Mickey said:
When in reality, it is the Catholics who are schismatic. 😉
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The expression “from the Father through the Son” is accepted by many Eastern Orthodox. This, in fact, led to a reunion of the Eastern Orthodox with the Catholic Church in 1439 at the Council of Florence: “The Greek prelates believed that every saint, precisely as a saint, was inspired by the Holy Spirit and therefore could not err in faith. If they expressed themselves differently, their meanings must substantially agree. . . . Once the Greeks accepted that the Latin Fathers had really written Filioque (they could not understand Latin), the issue was settled (May 29). The Greek Fathers necessarily meant the same; the faiths of the two churches were identical; union was not only possible but obligatory (June 3); and on June 8 the Latin cedula [statements of belief] on the procession [of the Spirit] was accepted by the Greek synod” (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 5:972–3).
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Unfortunately, the union did not last. In the 1450s (just decades before the Protestant Reformation), the Eastern Orthodox left the Church again under pressure from the Muslims, who had just conquered them and who insisted they renounce their union with the Western Church (lest Western Christians come to their aid militarily).
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It was the Orthodoxy that returned and broke apart again.
I guess history shows the truth on who is guilty of schism 😉
 
Mickey said:
Your info is biased and skewed. History shows us clearly who left the true Church.
I pray that Rome someday returns.
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Micky,
Do the Orthodox hold us as Schismatic or heretical or both?

Or does it depend?
 
Mickey said:
Your info is biased and skewed. History shows us clearly who left the true Church.
I pray that Rome someday returns.
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Could you cite any sources? Rome has never rejected the Papacy. It has maintained doctrinal integrity.
Council of Chalcedon
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“Bishop Paschasinus, guardian of the Apostolic See, stood in the midst [of the Council Fathers] and said, ‘We received directions at the hands of the most blessed and apostolic bishop of the Roman city [Pope Leo I], who is the head of all the churches, which directions say that Dioscorus is not to be allowed to sit in the [present] assembly, but that if he should attempt to take his seat, he is to be cast out. This instruction we must carry out” (Acts of the Council, session 1 [A.D. 451]).
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“After the reading of the foregoing epistle [The Tome of Leo], the most reverend bishops cried out: ‘This is the faith of the fathers! This is the faith of the apostles! So we all believe! Thus the orthodox believe! Anathema to him who does not thus believe! Peter has spoken thus through Leo!’” (ibid., session 2).
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This is prior to the great schism.
I think Rome is still true to this declaration until this very day.
The Council of Chalcedon was the fourth ecumenical council. It was held from 8 October to 1 November 451 at Chalcedon (a city of Bithynia in Asia Minor), today the district of Kadıköy on the Asian side of the Bosphorus, incorporated into the city of Istanbul.
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Accepted by: Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Anglicanism, Lutheranism, and most Protestant denominations
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Shlomey said:
The Filioque issue has already been resolved. Considering that in the past, the Orthodoxy has already rejoined into the Catholic Church, it tells us who branched off from whom later again 😛

I hold to this belief: there is no reunification possible without the Roman Pontiff.

The sooner our Orthodox brethren accept the supremacy of the Pope, the better for us all 🙂
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No, the Filoque issue has not been resolved. It has been discussed. It is BEING resolved, but, it is not resolved. The joint statement back in '82 (I think) was amicable, but, not settled.

“The supremacy of the Pope”?

Let’s face it, if any Orthodox person had an audience with Pope Benedict XVI, each and every one of them would kiss his ring.
 
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