Ouija board working a fact?

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Hello Hillsong

I believe you. I have experience with paranormal activity, I even went public with it. The Quija board is just that a board with letters and symbols. It has no power. the existence of fallen angels who are evil spirits is a reality. If the devil knows that he can deceive someone into thinking that there is some magical power or supernatural power, he will promote that idea. ESp, clairvoiyance, telekenisis, astro- projection are some of these deceits. It is true that saints have some of these charisms but they are the work of the Holy Spirit. When they are out of the context of spiritual sanctity and charismatic faith they are from the evil spirit. If the devil can convince that we have some undiscovered powers, he can advance of the idea that we are like God. This violates the first Commandment “Thou shalt not have any false gods before me.” the devil will use his angelic powers to deceive. Test the spirits, if they acknowledge Jesus, they are good, if they don’t they are evil. Thats why I stated “Command the evil spirit in the Name of Jesus to depart” I have done this several times with great success. If people get a hold of a wrong idea especially involving beliefs, he will promote it.
 
mikekle said:
Well, if Jesus warned people against consulting the dead, I have to assume it is possible and happens, why else would he warn people against the action…especially if it was not even possible?
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God doesn’t want people to use the Ouija board not because it is possible to commute with dead by that way. Do you think God doesn’t want you to worship other religions’ gods because those gods are real and they will talk to you and make you think there are more than one God?
 
xxxxx said:
God doesn’t want people to use the Ouija board not because it is possible to commute with dead by that way. Do you think God doesn’t want you to worship other religions’ gods because those gods are real and they will talk to you and make you think there are more than one God?
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In my opinion, it is AMAZING, that a living breathing person CAN communicate with a dead person spirit, not just the fact of the HUGE void between our 2 ‘worlds or planes’, but just to know a once living person has the ability to communicate with a still living person…That is just mind boggling to me!!

I have to imagine that they have limitations on what they can reveal to a living person though…they would almost have to…right? I mean, what if we are totally misunderstanding the ‘big picture’ when it comes to what we believe about religion, God, the afterlife, etc, and spirits were to reveal the ‘real world’ to someone still alive? That could be a disaster on a large scale.
 
mikekle said:
In my opinion, it is AMAZING, that a living breathing person CAN communicate with a dead person spirit, not just the fact of the HUGE void between our 2 ‘worlds or planes’, but just to know a once living person has the ability to communicate with a still living person…That is just mind boggling to me!!

I have to imagine that they have limitations on what they can reveal to a living person though…they would almost have to…right? I mean, what if we are totally misunderstanding the ‘big picture’ when it comes to what we believe about religion, God, the afterlife, etc, and spirits were to reveal the ‘real world’ to someone still alive? That could be a disaster on a large scale.
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It is great to be able to talk to a dead person if it’s God’s will. But as many others comment say, God and angels don’t communicate with us through the Ouija board. And if the piece of the board moves by itself, you never know who doing that.
 
These things do work, I know that for a fact, as I used one in the 80s. I don’t know if it contacts dead people, demons, satan, or all of the above, I just know it is the single most dangerous thing one can do outside of attending a valid black mass.
 
carn said:
I read this question and answer from catholic.com:
catholic.com/quickquestions/are-ouija-boards-harmless

“The fact of the matter is, the Ouija board really does work”

A quija board, for those who do not know, is a board with letters, numbers and yes/no symbols on it. People using it place a moveable object as marker on it, e.g. an upturned glass, touch it with their fingers very lightly (normally several people touch the obejct from several sides) and call some entities, ghost, demons or whatever the specific goup thiinks they might be able to contact. They then ask questions and the marker moves to spell out the answer or yes/no.

Sometimes also people do not touch it and it still moves.

The point now is that as most of the time someone is touching the marker or at least several people are near the board and the marker and normally relativ dark conditions, one cannot know whether the marker moves through some supernatural effect or whether the participants move it either subconciously by gently pushing it or pushing the board/table or with deliberate deception, e.g. its a magnetic marker and one participant uses a magnet to guide its movements.

Therefore one cannot know, whether the participants realy contact some entities or whether they just fool themselves into thinking they do.

At least thats what i think so far. (And i think its irrelevant, whether i think i contact demons or whether i actually contact demons, both carries dangers.)

The above answer seems to imply that its fact that Quija boards allow contact to demons.

Anyone know how it can be established as a fact?

It seems in the above link, it is considered fact due to testimonies of excorcists. But is there any further evidence?
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I think the evidence presented is sufficient. Yes, demonic forces are brought into play since ouija is a form of divination. No one should have or use one. It is against Church teaching.

Peace,
Ed
 
One positive proof I would use: the heritage of my Christian Catholic faith, I would command the deceiving spirit in the Name of Jesus Christ to cease his deceptive activities, and depart. I guarantee you if you do this in an act of true faith, it will happen. I know from experience!
 
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edwest2 said:
I think the evidence presented is sufficient.
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Which evidence do you mean? Rereading the thread, i found some posts claiming that a board revealed information supposedly unknown to those touching it, but known to someone present (color combination of a dress; name of a family). That is the evidence you say is sufficient? Or do you mean some other evidence?
 
carn said:
I read this question and answer from catholic.com:
catholic.com/quickquestions/are-ouija-boards-harmless

“The fact of the matter is, the Ouija board really does work”

A quija board, for those who do not know, is a board with letters, numbers and yes/no symbols on it. People using it place a moveable object as marker on it, e.g. an upturned glass, touch it with their fingers very lightly (normally several people touch the obejct from several sides) and call some entities, ghost, demons or whatever the specific goup thiinks they might be able to contact. They then ask questions and the marker moves to spell out the answer or yes/no.

Sometimes also people do not touch it and it still moves.

The point now is that as most of the time someone is touching the marker or at least several people are near the board and the marker and normally relativ dark conditions, one cannot know whether the marker moves through some supernatural effect or whether the participants move it either subconciously by gently pushing it or pushing the board/table or with deliberate deception, e.g. its a magnetic marker and one participant uses a magnet to guide its movements.

Therefore one cannot know, whether the participants realy contact some entities or whether they just fool themselves into thinking they do.
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If Ouija boards work and catholic.com knows this, then why haven’t they claimed their prizes? They always seem to be in need of more money.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Dollar_Paranormal_Challenge
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal
 
JapaneseKappa said:
If Ouija boards work and catholic.com knows this, then why haven’t they claimed their prizes? They always seem to be in need of more money.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Dollar_Paranormal_Challenge
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal
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Nice try, but most of the catholics that claim quija boards work also claim one summons, calls, gets in contact with, is effected by or will be possesed by demons, which are said to be highly intelligent, powerful and malicious.

Hence, it would be immoral for catholics to try seizing the price.

Also, JREF might reject such a test:
randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html
“The JREF will not test claims that are likely to cause injury of any sort, such as those involving the withholding of air, food, or water, or the use of illicit materials, drugs, or dangerous devices.”

Of course, they had mainly mundane dangers in mind. But i suspect any test which upon success might have very harmful consquences, might also make them hesitant. They probably would ask for a test setup in which those nasty side effects could not happen even upon an unlikely success. Which with quija board claims doesnt seem to be possible (unless one has a according to catholic standards holy person ready to act as backup, when demon summoning works, which a holy person would probably never agree to; thats besides identifying a holy person this side of the grave)
 
carn said:
Nice try, but most of the catholics that claim quija boards work also claim one summons, calls, gets in contact with, is effected by or will be possesed by demons, which are said to be highly intelligent, powerful and malicious.

Hence, it would be immoral for catholics to try seizing the price.

Also, JREF might reject such a test:
randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html
“The JREF will not test claims that are likely to cause injury of any sort, such as those involving the withholding of air, food, or water, or the use of illicit materials, drugs, or dangerous devices.”
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The JREF was willing to allow a Ouija board test earlier, but the applicants never followed through: forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=43349

I suppose Catholics wouldn’t be able to participate in the test, but maybe they could have a priest ask someone already possessed to participate prior to exorcising them.
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
What for? We know better than to tempt the Evil One.
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A million dollars and proof of the supernatural. Don’t you think it would be a great service to the cause of religion in general if you could prove the existence of anything supernatural? Imagine the number of people you could convert if you had definitive proof that things exist beyond our physical world.
 
JapaneseKappa said:
A million dollars and proof of the supernatural. Don’t you think it would be a great service to the cause of religion in general if you could prove the existence of anything supernatural? Imagine the number of people you could convert if you had definitive proof that things exist beyond our physical world.
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Faith is all you need.
 
JapaneseKappa said:
The JREF was willing to allow a Ouija board test earlier, but the applicants never followed through: forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=43349

I suppose Catholics wouldn’t be able to participate in the test, but maybe they could have a priest ask someone already possessed to participate prior to exorcising them.
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That applicant did not claim to contact/summon intelligent, powerful and malicious demons, he just claimed that the quija board can spell a word known only to a person in the next room. Therefore, i think its unknown how JREF would handle such a claim.

And also, that issue complicates the test. Because what definite result could any quija board user guarantee, if the board allows contact to an intelligent entity? That entity might always decide “No, not today.” I do not think such a claim could be made into a acceptable test.
 
carn said:
Also, JREF might reject such a test:
randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html
“The JREF will not test claims that are likely to cause injury of any sort, such as those involving the withholding of air, food, or water, or the use of illicit materials, drugs, or dangerous devices.”
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Success with a Ouija IS going to cause harm.

So it would seem the very proof this organization claims to be looking for is also rejected.
 
vz71 said:
Success with a Ouija IS going to cause harm.

So it would seem the very proof this organization claims to be looking for is also rejected.
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I would not hold it against them, if they reject tests with potentially dangerous success results. Their offer is serious in the sense that they negotiate and sign a legally binding agreement with any applicant. If anything goes wrong and someone gets injured during a test, they could end up being sued for damages caused (And considering they openly admit to have at least 1 million in easily accessible funds, they would be sued).
 
JapaneseKappa said:
A million dollars and proof of the supernatural. Don’t you think it would be a great service to the cause of religion in general if you could prove the existence of anything supernatural? Imagine the number of people you could convert if you had definitive proof that things exist beyond our physical world.
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Jesus himself proved that supernatural entities (fallen angels) existed, did He convert all who witnessed? I have definite proof, and I shared it publicly with a program called “that’s Incredible” with Cathy Crosby and Ted Harrington. When it was proven, the whole program was cancelled because they were having a lot of trouble on the set, and they were really suprised at what happened according to Cathy, I just received a post card in the mail stating they couldn’t use my suggestion, and thanks. But by the testimony given in the program they did use my suggestion. I still have the post-card. Some people worship the devil, fools rush in were angel fear to tread. There is much paranormal activity in todays society , because there so much morally wrong and the need for strong Evangelization, Jesus Christ is God and Savior came to redeem us from the works of Satan.
 
ynotzap said:
Jesus himself proved that supernatural entities (fallen angels) existed, did He convert all who witnessed? I have definite proof, and I shared it publicly with a program called “that’s Incredible” with Cathy Crosby and Ted Harrington. When it was proven, the whole program was cancelled because they were having a lot of trouble on the set, and they were really suprised at what happened according to Cathy, I just received a post card in the mail stating they couldn’t use my suggestion, and thanks. But by the testimony given in the program they did use my suggestion. I still have the post-card. Some people worship the devil, fools rush in were angel fear to tread. There is much paranormal activity in todays society , because there so much morally wrong and the need for strong Evangelization, Jesus Christ is God and Savior came to redeem us from the works of Satan.
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…So you’re saying that you just don’t feel like winning a million dollars?

It says many times in the bible that people were converted by Jesus’ displays of power:
He came again therefore into Cana of Galilee, where he made the water wine. And there was a certain ruler, whose son was sick at Capharnaum. He having heard that Jesus was come from Judea into Galilee, went to him, and prayed him to come down, and heal his son; for he was at the point of death. Jesus therefore said to him: Unless you see signs and wonders, you believe not.
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