Our Father (and stange habits)

netmilsmom · May 23, 2005

fix:

I am sure it has been done.

The pity is that it’s probably been my Archdiocese or my home Diocese where Pilla reigns!

fix · May 23, 2005

katherine2:

It is not an innovation for the laity. it is very traditional for the laity. again referencing eastern iconography, it can be seen with teh Blessed Mother or other lay saints.

Welcome back, Katie.

Are you a liturgical archeologist?

It seems to me the left claims many innovations are historical, yet they reject many other authentic things in Chuch history. Who is determining which items are historical and which items we ought to reintroduce? Has Rome said the mass needs improvement by a few self appointed people?

fix · May 23, 2005

netmil(name removed by moderator):

The pity is that it’s probably been my Archdiocese or my home Diocese where Pilla reigns!

Oh my. Well I live in the diocese of Rochester so I may have you beat. Maybe a tie?

netmilsmom · May 23, 2005

Mickey:

I didn’t think so.

I just asked ByzCath to correct me if I’m wrong!

He wrote and said this…
"In the Divine Liturgy in the Byzantine Ruthenian and the Ukrainian Churches, that would be the Ruthenian, Ukrainian, and/or Slavic usages, no it is not used.

The Divine Liturgy in the Melkite Church which is more of a Greek usage, yes it is used."

(David, if you come onto this thread, I wrote back to ask if I could quote you and your mailbox is full. I didn’t think you would mind)

Jabronie · May 23, 2005

Detroit Sue:

You must be in the Lincoln diocese. I wish we had a bishop like Bp. Bruskewicz. There would be no abuses ever!

Lincoln is a pretty good place to be a Catholic

katherine2 · May 23, 2005

fix:

Welcome back, Katie.

thank you. :tiphat:

Are you a liturgical archeologist?

No. I am a child of God.

It seems to me the left claims many innovations are historical, yet they reject many other authentic things in Chuch history. Who is determining which items are historical and which items we ought to reintroduce? Has Rome said the mass needs improvement by a few self appointed people?

it should be occur organicly. if only a few people are reviving a former practice, it would seem that it wouldn’t merit enough attention for discussion here. Obviously, a lot more than a few people – self-appointed or not – find value here.

Mickey · May 23, 2005

netmil(name removed by moderator):

I just asked ByzCath to correct me if I’m wrong!

He wrote and said this…
"In the Divine Liturgy in the Byzantine Ruthenian and the Ukrainian Churches, that would be the Ruthenian, Ukrainian, and/or Slavic usages, no it is not used.

The Divine Liturgy in the Melkite Church which is more of a Greek usage, yes it is used."

(David, if you come onto this thread, I wrote back to ask if I could quote you and your mailbox is full. I didn’t think you would mind)

Aha! That explains it. I am of the Ruthenian persuasion. You learn something new every day. Thank ByzCath for me.

fix · May 23, 2005

katherine2:

it should be occur organicly. if only a few people are reviving a former practice, it would seem that it wouldn’t merit enough attention for discussion here. Obviously, a lot more than a few people – self-appointed or not – find value here.

So, anything may be introduced as long as a large number of people start to do it? What makes it organic?

WhiteDove · May 23, 2005

Jabronie:

I’ve never understood holding hand during “Our Father.” It’s just not done very much in our diocese. I can accept it though, and if someone next to me wants to hold hands, I will.

Here’s the annoying part. Now a few people in our Church started holding their hands up toward the altar during the Lord’s Prayer. I call it annoying because I don’t understand it, and it reminds me of a Bible Church nearby where they speak in tongues and hold their hands out like that.

Someone please tell me why they do that, or if it’s pretty normal and I just never noticed.

So, you’re new to this venerable site, I see…

Er, this is one of our old favorite subjects, right guys???

It brings out the best in everyone, always!!!

katherine2 · May 23, 2005

fix:

So, anything may be introduced as long as a large number of people start to do it? What makes it organic?

i don’t accept that anything can be introduced nor do I accept that nothing can be introduced. that’s what makes me a moderate progressive orthodox catholic

fix · May 23, 2005

katherine2:

i don’t accept that anything can be introduced nor do I accept that nothing can be introduced. that’s what makes me a moderate progressive orthodox catholic

What exactly may be introduced?

CONSTITUTION
ON THE SACRED LITURGY
***SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM

A) General norms

1. Regulation of the sacred liturgy depends solely on the authority of the Church, that is, on the Apostolic See and, as laws may determine, on the bishop.
In virtue of power conceded by the law, the regulation of the liturgy within certain defined limits belongs also to various kinds of competent territorial bodies of bishops legitimately established.
Therefore no other person, even if he be a priest, may add, remove, or change anything in the liturgy on his own authority.

katherine2 · May 23, 2005

fix:

What exactly may be introduced?

let’s take this slowly. Are we agreed on the principle I earlier stated?

WhiteDove · May 23, 2005

cdop.org/catholic_post/post_11_14_04/images/congress.jpg

fix · May 23, 2005

katherine2:

let’s take this slowly. Are we agreed on the principle I earlier stated?

I agree with this:

Can. 838 §1. The direction of the sacred liturgy depends solely on the authority of the Church which resides in the Apostolic See and, according to the norm of law, the diocesan bishop.

netmilsmom · May 23, 2005

WhiteDove said:
cdop.org/catholic_post/post_11_14_04/images/congress.jpg

“One! Singular sensation, every little step she takes…”
ONLY KIDDING!!!

Detroit_Sue · May 23, 2005

netmil(name removed by moderator) said:
“One! Singular sensation, every little step she takes…”
ONLY KIDDING!!!

That made me spew Pepsi on my screen!

netmilsmom · May 23, 2005

Detroit Sue:

That made me spew Pepsi on my screen!

Sorry Sue. I guess it should have come with a liquid warning!!!

Hugs!

rcn · May 23, 2005

netmil(name removed by moderator) said:
“One! Singular sensation, every little step she takes…”
ONLY KIDDING!!!

There’s no reason to be so obnoxious.

Please let Archbishop Chaput’s words be the final say on this matter. (And I say this, as one who does not prefer hand-holding, not one bit.)

archden.org/dcr/news.php?e=5&s=2&a=22

Dr.Bombay · May 23, 2005

Somehow, I doubt that will be the final say.

Just a funny feeling I have…

netmilsmom · May 24, 2005

rcn:

There’s no reason to be so obnoxious.

Please let Archbishop Chaput’s words be the final say on this matter. (And I say this, as one who does not prefer hand-holding, not one bit.)

archden.org/dcr/news.php?e=5&s=2&a=22

If I didn’t put the “Only kidding” on this, I could see you getting upset. However, I live in a part of the US that is overrun with Moderism. I have been very blessed to find a parish that is Deep Catholic and does not go along with these innovations.
If you knew the amount of people that I have personally talked to that are slipping out of the church because of this type of innovation, you would try to lighten it up as well. I have found that when people can laugh, it doesn’t seem so serious that it’s a like it or lump it situation.

My poor pastor hears these stories everyday. He takes it all lightly, why shouldn’t I?

I apologize if you are offended by my remark.

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