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Rich_Olszewski
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Of all the issues you mentioned, this bothers me most of all.
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qui_est_ce
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Yeah, Rich, we’re all haters that want people to die. We want to deny non-whites their rights. We’re all evil rich people who want to keep the poor down so we can have our mansions and our SUV’s.
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7_Sorrows
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excellent responses!You must be referring to your previous post #87.
As they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
One of which was limited powers. Tell that to Herman Cain.
How are they going to afford insurance under the mandate? They still are being forced to buy a product they cannot afford. Under Obama, more people have lost job, are on food stamps and other government subsidies.
I am NOT better off than four years ago.
There are plenty of Democrat “haves” that have been rewarded by Obama’s policiesThis Republican’s Messiah is Jesus.
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stevegravy
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This is why I retort the Who lyrics, “meet the new boss same as the old boss.” Both parties are statist; they only differ in degree, maybe. I’d like to see someone with a decided old time federalist religion who would scrape this leviathan of a government and kick it all back to the states. That way, if states like California want to commit suicide, they can without dragging the whole country down with them.
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JMJSHJ
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I don’t know how anyone can say that Romney is more pro-choice than what Obama is. But even if it were true, that doesn’t justify in any way a Catholic who says they are against abortion to vote for Obama. Vote 3rd party then, if you sincerely believe that Romney is more pro-choice than what Obama is but I can’t see how one can say that with facts especially in what has been documented with regard to Romneycare.
No sincere Catholic can ever vote for Obama.
No sincere Catholic can ever vote for Obama.
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_Abyssinia
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Taxpayers in Massachusetts before Mitt Romney became Governor had to pay for abortion, there was nothing he could do change that. At least Mitt Romney tried to find an exemption for employers who had moral objections to them morning after pill, with no avail, in part from the Demcorat legislature and pre existing laws.
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Charlotte408
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**Santorum 2012. **
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_Abyssinia
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Are you trying to make Romney out to be pro choice to make yourself feel better about supporting Barack Obama? Because that what is sounds like to me. In the pro life community we welcome converts, people like Ronald Reagen, Abby Johnson, and Mitt Romney. If we didn’t have converts the pro life cause would be a poorer one, it is those those that been on the other side on abortion that have come to realize the truth when it comes to value of all life that create their own converts. and enrich the pro life cause.Catholics are also supposed to be champions of social justice, but the Republican party has abandoned any pretense of a social responsibility to care for the poor in their 2012 “Ryan budget” that guts essential social programs for women and children in order to give tax breaks to the wealthy.
Catholics are supposed to stand in solidarity with one another, but the Republican party opposes sensible immigration reforms like the Dream Act which would provide a path to citizenship for undocumented residents (many of whom are Catholic) who were brought to the US as children and know no other nation or culture.
Catholics are supposed to champion respect and dignity for workers, but the Republican party has launched a war on unions and the right of workers to collective bargaining.
Catholics are supposed to oppose torture, unjust wars, and the death penalty. Yet all of these methods of coercion and death are championed by the Republican party.
There is no “abortion trumps everything” card for Republican supporters in this election - Mitt Romney has done more to expand abortion rights then Obama ever has. Mitt Romney has the blood of thousands of babies on his hands. Obama does not.
Hatred is not a Catholic value. Hatred fueled by lies and distortions is certainly not a Catholic value. Yet this is the game Republican puppet-masters are so deft at playing and “more pious than thou” social conservatives are so quick to embrace.
I don’t get it either.
You can’t make Mitt Romney to be like Barack Obama on the issue of abortion, that is an insincere, disingenuous comparison. Mitt Romney actually met with the Catholic Bishops and tried to stop employers being forced to give out the morning after pill - something Barack Obama is trying to force all employers to do. Mitt Romney had a strong pro life record as governor, Barack Obama has no pro life record - he has a pro abortion record of the most radical pro abortion President in the history of America. I don’t think I could sleep at night knowing I had voted for somebody who had opposed, as Senator, Born Alive Infants Protection Act - that babies who had survived could be protected instead of dumped like medical waste. Barack Obama opposed that Act in 2001, 2002, 2003.
Pope Benedict said in a 2004 letter to the US Catholic bishops on Catholic politicians Communion:
“While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment,” he said. “There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia,” he added.
Union rights, immigration laws, these are valid issues, but they are issues that Catholics can have a diversity of opinion on, nowhere in Catholic teaching are they stated as important issues that trump the issue of abortion, whereas abortion is said to be the issue that trumps all by many Priests and Bishops and Pope Benedict says it is a ‘non negotiable.’
**PART OF SOCIAL JUSTICE TEACHING IS THE DEFENSE OF HUMAN LIFE, MARRIAGE AND FAMILY. **
There is no separation for caring for the poor and life and family issues.
In a address Pope Benedict gave to Miguel Diaz, ambassador to Barack Obama in 2009 Pope Benedict said he hoped the United States and Holy See would “continue to be marked by fruitful dialogue and cooperation in the promotion of human dignity, respect for fundamental human rights” and the “cultivation of the values of ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.’”
Pope Benedict then said:
‘‘I think particularly of the need for a clear discernment with regard to issues touching the protection of human dignity and respect for the inalienable right to life from the moment of conception to natural death.’’
Towards the end Pope Benedict said:
The Church insists on the unbreakable link between an ethics of life and every other aspect of social ethics, for she is convinced that, in the prophetic words of the late Pope John Paul II, “a society lacks solid foundations when, on the one hand, it asserts values such as the dignity of the person, justice and peace, but then, on the other hand, radically acts to the contrary by allowing or tolerating a variety of ways in which human life is devalued and violated, especially where it is weak or marginalized.” Evangelium Vitae, 93; cf. Caritas in Veritate, 15]
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qui_est_ce
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I know plenty of sincere Catholics who love Obama. It’s their logic that fails me.
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Jerry_Miah
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Great post.What a wonderful example of classic right-wing hyperbole!
Barack Obama is not an angry man. If he were, he would never have earned the nickname “No-Drama-Obama” or enjoy a personal approval rating that is nearly 20 points higher than Mitt Romney. In both style and rhetoric he is notable for his charm and compassion.
**Barack Obama wants to transform the United States to reflect the principles upon which this nation has been built. ** The ideals of the founding fathers are terrific, but it has been a 236 year process to put them into practice for anyone who is not born a rich white man.
Tell the thirty million Americans who lack adequate medical care because they cannot get health insurance what it means to be left to die. The United States is the only first world country that does not provide universal health care - and the health of our population ranks far below those nations that provide socialized medicine. The infant mortality rate is higher in the United States than it is in Cuba (US ranks 34th among the list of nations).
The damage done by Republican supply-side economics and the Great Recession has created an uncertain future for the American middle class. It has produced the greatest income disparity in our nation since the late 19th century, has filled the coffers of the very rich, and sucked all the wealth out of the middle class. The Republican party wants MORE OF THATI say, NO THANK YOU.
I don’t know why anyone would believe the right-wing rhetoric of “haves” and “soon to haves” - you’re never going to “have” anything if the Republican puppet-masters have their way. Ayn Rand is their messiah and that means they absolutely reject the concept of social justice
It looks like people are really being turned off by the right wing rhetoric and the bizarre activities of the Republicans lately.
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Rich_Olszewski
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Yikes! Of whom are you speaking, Christine??? You use “we,” yet I was addressing the subject, not any particular individuals or groups (you seem to think that I was referring to the GOP, which I was NOT.) There was no reason to personalize the subject.Yeah, Rich, we’re all haters that want people to die. We want to deny non-whites their rights. We’re all evil rich people who want to keep the poor down so we can have our mansions and our SUV’s.
I’m upset that the U.S. offers less overall in the way of health care to the poor and middle class than do so many more other countries. We ought to be at the top of the list, not #24.
That said, carry on beating me about the head and shoulders.
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Michael_C
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Although I am a strong Ron Paul supporter I am starting to be persuaded by the “Anyone but Obama” argument. He’s that bad. I would like to see the principled, consistant congressman from Texas win.
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Scott_Lafrance
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I would too, but he is fighting both the Democrat Party and the Republican Party.
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_Abyssinia
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Poll done on an average of 77 people per state and 933 people overall. I’d take the poll with a grain of salt.
Romney: We have to ‘take our message to the women of America’ - Politico
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bellasbane
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The Judgement of the Nations (Mt 25: 31-46) is not a judgement of individuals. It is a collective judgement of various groups of people. “…all the nations will be assembled before him.”
As Catholics, we are responsible for shaping our nation according to the principles of our faith. That includes creating a government that takes a active role in promoting social and economic justice for all. We are far from achieving that, but that does not mean we are correct in abdicating our collective responsibility and embracing individualism or free market capitalism as a solution.
I believe this is what Cardinal Timothy Dolan meant when he said:
O’REILLY: Does the Catholic Church want to be a player in the American politics?
DOLAN: Yes. Well, the Catholic Church wants its people to be a player in the American politics, all right. 28 percent of the population of the United States are Catholics, ok and the Catholic Church through them, you bet, wants to have – want to have a say in the direction of our beloved country.
To think that there is a Berlin Wall between one’s religious convictions and one’s political activity is crazy, it’s ludicrous. It’s not only non-Catholic, non-Christian, non-biblical, it is also un-American. Because – you’re a better historian than I am Bill, you know that every great movement in – in American history has been driven by people of religious conviction.
And if we duct tape the churches – I’m just not talking about the Catholic Church – if we duct tape the role of religion and the churches and morally convince people in the marketplace that’s going to lead to a huge deficit a huge void. And there are many people who want to fill it up, namely a new religion called secularism, ok, which – which would be as doctrinaire and would consider itself as infallible as they caricature the other religions doing.
So to – to see – to see that morally-driven religiously-convinced people want to exercise their political responsibility, I think that is not only at the heart of biblical religion, it is at the heart of American enterprise.
Read more: foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/2012/03/29/timothy-cardinal-dolan-enters-no-spin-zone#ixzz1qu4SPSO3
Dolan is saying that the “morally convincing people in the marketplace” will create a void that will be filled with a new religion called secularism. This is a critique of those who would argue that unfettered free market capitalism is the solution to all of our nations problems. The Church does not agree with this and supports the idea of taxation and income redistribution in order to provide for the general welfare of all members of society.
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Scott_Lafrance
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Collective salvation is antithetical to the Catholic faith. We are each saved or damned based individually, not as a nation, as a church, or any other group.
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stevegravy
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And the welfare state has done such good things for the poor.
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Seamus_L
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I’ll vote 3rd party in November, and if that in any way contributes to the re-election of Barack Obama, then let’s get to that showdown sooner than later. Conservatives like to forget that during the 8 year presidency of Ronald Reagan, the 8 years of GW and the 4 of Bush Sr, we couldn’t do a thing to stop abortion, anti-Christian and pro-homosexual legislation wasn’t slowed down, and American industry declined severely. Electing Mitt Romney in November won’t in anyway take this country off the collision course it’s on.
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seekerz
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Social justice is funny? Thanks for reminding me why I can’t identify with today’s conservative thought.
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bellasbane
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Well then, what do you think the Lord meant when he spoke of “all the nations” if he did not intend to imply some type of collective judgement? It is pretty clear that the Lord is not speaking to individuals in this passage, but to different groups of people.
Perhaps the two can be reconciled by saying that at the end of time, we will each stand with the “nation” we have chosen in life to support. Will it be one that cares for the needy or one that abandons them in a time of crisis?
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