Our Son refused by the priest.

  • Thread starter Thread starter StressedMummy82
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
I think the mother is starting to accept the Catholic Faith.
Well, she shouldn’t baptize the child Catholic until she’s made a thorough study of it and is sure that she can keep a promise to raise the child Catholic - which involves a lot more than just sending it to Catholic school.
 
Seems like your assuming much about the priest and his decision.
I have done nothing of the sort. But I do feel like Priests should not “assume” that a parent who wants a Catholic Baptism would not raise the child according to Catholic teachings and traditions if the parent promised to do so…
We know for a fact that this child’s mother is not a Catholic.
I believe she said that the child’s father is not a Catholic.
According to the OP, the father left them. What does he have to do with it?
We know the child’s mother is living in a situation that the Church views as immoral.
No we don’t. Did she tell you she plans to sleep with her boyfriend again tonight?
From the mother’s post it appears that she does not wish to remedy this nor does she wish to become Catholic.
You should ask her… If she’s not already too hurt to post here again.
Since when do non-catholic’s “living in sin” approach the Church to have their child who has no Catholic parents baptized?
How do we know she is living in sin? Did she tell us that she is sleeping with her boyfriend as she types her posts…? She has admitted that she has sinned in the past, but that’s all she has told us. We’ve all sinned in the past.
 
I have done nothing of the sort. But I do feel like Priests should not “assume” that a parent who wants a Catholic Baptism would not raise the child according to Catholic teachings and traditions if the parent promised to do so… I think I even recall the OP mentioning something about a Catholic education. But my main focus here is getting to the bottom of the whole “assuming” thing. Is it ok to teach my kids to assume the intentions of others as a Catholic trait? I should hope not.
Being sexually active out side of marriage is evidence of this. The priest is not assuming anything but is, instead, looking at the situation as presented using that to make his decision.
According to the OP, the father left them. What does he have to do with it?
Unless he has surrendered his parental rights or the courts have granted her sole guardianship he does matter legally.
No we don’t. Did she tell you she plans to sleep with her boyfriend again tonight?
She has not stated this out right but we do have evidence that she has been sexually active with him and she stated that he does not wish to get married. She also appears to be reluctant to break off her relationship with him.

So she is in a relationship with a man that has been sexual and is not looking to marriage. I think it is a given that they continue to be sexually active. If not why has she not stated such?
How do we know she is living in sin? Did she tell us that she is sleeping with her boyfriend as she types her posts…? She has admitted that she has sinned in the past, but that’s all she has told us. We’ve all sinned in the past.
You are making assumptions that she has told us everything. You are making an assumption that she has told use everything that the priest told her.

You have also decided that you know better than the priest and have assumed authority to judge the priest wrong in this matter.

The authority lies with the priest not with any of us. He also has much more information that we do in this.

It is his job to make these decisions. If the poster does not agree with it she can appeal to the bishop’s office.
 
You are making assumptions that she has told us everything. You are making an assumption that she has told use everything that the priest told her.

You have also decided that you know better than the priest and have assumed authority to judge the priest wrong in this matter.
.
Do you swear to God that you honestly believe the above quote to be true?
 
I have done nothing of the sort. But I do feel like Priests should not “assume” that a parent who wants a Catholic Baptism would not raise the child according to Catholic teachings and traditions if the parent promised to do so… …
Not to be contrary, but how would this promise be carried out since nobody in the household is Catholic and knows about Catholic teachings and traditions? After Baptism, the child would be Catholic, but how would the child learn anything at all about Catholicism if no adult in the house knows about Catholicism?
 
In general rule and practice, a priest will baptize a child with the permission of the Parents or a guardian regardless of what the faith of the parents are.
 
Since when did we start “assuming” so much?
You are the one making a lot of assumptions! An intellectually honest person would look at the objective facts like behaviors and canon law. Those are sufficient to make a decision. For an act to be moral you must have proper intent, not immoral acts, and not immoral circumstances. Nobody is going too much into intent right now, the acts and circumstances speak for themselves.
 
Not to be contrary, but how would this promise be carried out since nobody in the household is Catholic and knows about Catholic teachings and traditions? After Baptism, the child would be Catholic, but how would the child learn anything at all about Catholicism if no adult in the house knows about Catholicism?
When a Child is Baptized, it essentially becomes the parents consent to admit to God Himself that the child is His and not their own. It’s the greatest act of humility that a parent can achieve.

Baptized children are then under the parents obligation to bestow Catholic values on the child for the rest of their lives. A parent wishing to go through with such a thing should certainly become Catholic.

They should not be told to go to a different church because they are living in sin.
 
When a Child is Baptized, it essentially becomes the parents consent to admit to God Himself that the child is His and not their own. It’s the greatest act of humility that a parent can achieve. …
Okay. Interesting. I’ve never heard anything like that before. Admit the child is God’s? The greatest act of humility that a parent can achieve? Hmm. I’m not sure what to say to that or how to react.
…Baptized children are then under the parents obligation to bestow Catholic values on the child for the rest of their lives. A parent wishing to go through with such a thing should certainly become Catholic. …
It is Catholic practice that a parent BE Catholic when his/her child is baptized, not that the parent will then become Catholic after the fact. That is pretty basic and has been the case for a very, very long time.
 
You are the one making a lot of assumptions! An intellectually honest person would look at the objective facts like behaviors and canon law. Those are sufficient to make a decision. For an act to be moral you must have proper intent, not immoral acts, and not immoral circumstances. Nobody is going too much into intent right now, the acts and circumstances speak for themselves.
instead of helping a soul to get her things in order to come into the Church they prefer to suggest that she acts like the Church is the enemy and needs to be out-witted so that she and her partner can have their own way.
 
It is Catholic practice that a parent BE Catholic when his/her child is baptized, not that the parent will then become Catholic after the fact. That is pretty basic and has been the case for a very, very long time.
Yes, the parent or Parents should become Catholic first. But maybe there could be a set date for the baptism. It doesn’t matter what sins she has done… She can still become Catholic. She should go to RCIA. It’s a great Accomplishment -to complete RCIA.
 
Yes, the parent or Parents should become Catholic first. But maybe there could be a set date for the baptism. It doesn’t matter what sins she has done… She can still become Catholic. She should go to RCIA. It’s a great Accomplishment -to complete RCIA.
:confused:

That is exactly what others have been saying.
 
Yes, the parent or Parents should become Catholic first. But maybe there could be a set date for the baptism. It doesn’t matter what sins she has done… She can still become Catholic. She should go to RCIA. It’s a great Accomplishment -to complete RCIA.
Last year we had a mother and father and their two babies all come into the church at the same time after the parents went through RCIA. It was beautiful.
 
:confused:

That is exactly what others have been saying.
If you read back, I never actually disagreed -I just thought the way they were going about it was out of line… Way out of line.

There were a lot of unfair assumptions being thrown around on this thread. It was sickening.
 
In general rule and practice, a priest will baptize a child with the permission of the Parents or a guardian regardless of what the faith of the parents are.
This is not so.

Please provide a source to such a “rule”.
 
:confused:

That is exactly what others have been saying.
Indeed. The priest made an admittedly harsh comment about the mother being unmarried with two children from two different fathers. Mind you Our Lord commented on the woman who had been married five times and was currently living in sin.

Her sin is not of itself an issue - we are all sinners. Some of us far worse than she.

It is her apparent lack of repentance and willingness to amend her life that is the issue. Someone in a non marital sexual relationship needs to at least be willing to by physically separate from (or at least cease sexual relations with) their partner if the couple cannot or will not marry.

This unwillingness to regularize or else at least try to cease her sexual relationship would be a barrier to her entering the Church on her own account, nothing to do with the child. In fact even if she were already Catholic, and in the same circumstances, she would be advised that she could not be validly absolved in confession nor receive communion without incurring the guilt of mortal sin.

Christ told the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more, and we are all, those who are already Catholic as well as those thinking of becoming so or seeking to raise their children in the faith, obliged to put sincere effort into knowing and living Church teaching on things like the sinfulness of pre-marital sex.
 
Indeed. The priest made an admittedly harsh comment about the mother being unmarried with two children from two different fathers. Mind you Our Lord commented on the woman who had been married five times and was currently living in sin.
I have to provide a bit of correction.

The priest ** allegedly** made a harsh comment.

We only have one side of the story. I feel this has to be pointed out. We can not judge this statement by the OP as fact as there is nothing to back it up.

As I said in an earlier post. This may have been what the OP “heard” but that does not necessarily mean it was actually said. People hear a lot of things wrong all the time. With out the other party to this conversation here we can not in any way know.

Charity demands that we not condemn the priest who is not hear to defend himself.

I know I keep say this but it is a very important thing.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top