Outrage after video captures white Baton Rouge police officer fatally shooting a black man

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Here is a great piece by Radley Balko in the Washington Post that discusses why this shooting may turn out to be legal:

washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2016/07/06/alton-sterlings-death-appears-to-be-another-police-shooting-that-was-both-legal-and-preventable/

For those not familiar with Balko, he writes on criminal justice and is generally very critical of both police and prosecutors. His point is not that what the police did was right, but that we need to change how police interact with citizens in these situations.
 
Um, no, not really. I would agree that racism in the past has put black people in lower class neighborhoods and made it really difficult for them to succeed, and that contributes to the crime rate.

You just said that cops were edgier and think black people=crooks, and then say that they are not racist. That’s extremely confusing.

A lot of white people have this same view, that their views are somewhat justified. But let me flip it. It’s a fact that blacks were seriously oppressed by whites. As a result, black people are more “edgier and aggressive” towards white people. Because statistically speaking, white people are likely to attack a person of color. Now, when I used to tell them this, these people will immediately argue that “no!! it’s racism! Black people are racist towards us by acting like we are all racist”. So which is it? This way of thinking also applies in other stuff like homophobia, feminism, etc.

The fact that they act differently around black people already shows there is discrimination. Just because they didn’t teach themselves to be racist does not mean they are not racist. You could tell a child all the horrible things a certain race has done (which is true) and the child grows up to generalise a race like that= child is racist and stupid, not just stupid. It’s not rocket science, honestly.

“It may very well be that the reason blacks are targeted for arrest more often is because statistically speaking, blacks commit more crimes” is not really true. There are numerous cases where the black person was innocent and was targeted. Racial profiling. But if you mean in general, it is still a case of racial profiling. Kind of like how people assume all Muslims are terrorists. It’s an act of hate to generalise a whole race, whether intentional or not.

I am also skeptical of certain statistics in the US because of its history of systemic oppression. Like it’s more likely for people to target racial minorities for crime and hence the higher rate. For example, like how people target Christianity, for homophobia for example, and don’t put as much effort in targeting other religions, so as a result, Christianity has a higher rate. But for the sake of this conversation, I’ll assume the stats are accurate 🙂

I don’t think black people believe all cops are evil, but there are cops who are, and they use their position to oppress.

Your ideas are not bad because it could lower crime rates and make people not hate cops blindly but there is something that should be done to give minorities a reason to trust the cops. Your ideas won’t get rid of racism. We still have a long way to go. 😦

And if you want an easy explanation for AllLivesMatter is a terrible idea, this video should be helpful

youtube.com/watch?v=NtAAeyswlHM

Or if you want an easier explanation:

Catholics say “unborn children have dignity, stop killing them” or “unborn children matter”

And then everyone else whines “Are you saying other kids do not matter? What about old people too? ALL of us have dignity”

Like obviously Catholics believe that, but they were addressing specifically to an issue-abortion, and claiming otherwise does not focus on abortion and hence takes attention off the issue.

Same with blacklivesmatter, they are trying to address a real and valid issue, and by saying all lives matter, you are taking the attention away from the issue they are focusing on, which is racism.
I’m honestly not sure where we disagree here. Just to be clear, I wasn’t trying to justify action on the part of police officers; I was trying to provide a psychological explanation. So yeah, human stupidity produces racism.
 
Here is a great piece by Radley Balko in the Washington Post that discusses why this shooting may turn out to be legal.
What he said was legal, but preventable. This was my concern from the start. I will not that we have zero evidence of what happened prior to the first video. It is at this stage the situation might have been defused.
 
So to sum this up for us ignorant white folks:

“Each of these cases happens because of racist white folks. If you don’t believe me, you’re a racist whitie. If you expect to explain it and debate back and forth, I can’t because I get so enraged because you’re a racist whitie.”
I literally said that not all of these cases are a result of racism sweetie…stop trying to pick a fight…on a catholic forum…

(And the reason why I refuse to continue the conversation because it’ll escalate 🙂 )

If you don’t believe that racism is a big issue in the US, you are either completely sheltered or are a racist yourself, I don’t see how that’s inaccurate. Racists usually don’t see themselves as racists and get very defensive about it. If talking about racism makes you get defensive…

Maybe it’s time to pick up a bible instead of picking a fight?
 
This is just disturbing!
The shooting in Falcon Heights, MN
youtube.com/watch?v=pSOXA9Zc9lw

It does seem sadly ironic, that after mass shootings such as the one at the Orlando nightclub, people suggest they would have been safer had they carried a gun.
It seems when the person is black, however, this does not apply. Even when they try to tell the officer right away that they have a gun they are permitted to carry.

I want to be objective about all of this. But it seems very difficult when things like this specific story in MN happen.
The woman (gf of the victim) just stepped out crying and said that they held her till 5am, seperated her from her daughter, didn’t give food and tried to blame them for what happened. The police also lied to the public and said she was released earlier, which she denied. People have no heart nowadays 😦
 
The woman (gf of the victim) just stepped out crying and said that they held her till 5am, seperated her from her daughter, didn’t give food and tried to blame them for what happened. The police also lied to the public and said she was released earlier, which she denied. People have no heart nowadays 😦
The blue shield goes up strong any time something like this happens.
 
The blue shield goes up strong any time something like this happens.
Odd. All I read in the media is the opposite. What you see with me is not a blue shield, but American justice that still believes in innocent until proven guilty. What I am is Catholic, which still believe rash judgment is a sin. The word “murder” appeared by post 3 hear, and “white supremacist” by post 5. “Cold-blooded” by post 12. There is much more of mob mentality than any blue shield here, in the streets and in the media. I get it. Defending police is not politically correct. But it is not a “blue shield”. Instead, many support police specifically* because* of a hatred of injustice, whether it is the black man that needs justice, or the police man.
 
She’s not the only one. I’ve got several friends in law enforcement at both the local and federal level, and they’re all disgusted. Both with the acts themselves, and with the fact that acts like these increase the danger for and sully the reputation of all law enforcement. In essence they make the job that much harder for good officers and agents out there.
 
Contrast the actions of Mr. Sterling and Mr. Castile with those of Mr. Ray of Raleigh, NC, who fired yesterday at law enforcement and lived.
Deputy D.R. Farmer stopped to question Ray in response to reports of a man pointing a shotgun at passing drivers, and Ray became belligerent and pointed the shotgun at Farmer, Sheriff Donnie Harrison said.
“The deputy luckily grabbed the barrel and pushed him back,” Harrison said. “The man says, 'I got something for you’ and reached in his pocket and came back with a pistol.”
As Farmer pushed the .22-caliber handgun aside, the gun went off, the sheriff said.
“Luckily, nobody got hurt. That’s the good thing. God was looking out for us,” Harrison said. “(Ray) was very fortunate that he didn’t get shot, very fortunate that anybody didn’t get shot.”
Mr. Ray also is very fortunate that he’s white.
 
See. No blue wall. This lady has no business being in the criminal justice system at all, police or not. I do not know how hard Vox had to search to find someone so lacking in justice. I would tell her that if you are the officer that leaps to judgment to condemn other, then you (she) needs to take of the uniform. I have never heard any police officer I have disagreed with more.

But hey, if you guys want to feed hatred, anger and racism both black and white, listen to the “powerful” if overly-emotional desert of logic and clear thinking that is that video.
 
If you don’t believe that racism is a big issue in the US, you are either completely sheltered or are a racist yourself, I don’t see how that’s inaccurate. Racists usually don’t see themselves as racists and get very defensive about it. If talking about racism makes you get defensive…
Talking about racism makes people get defensive because it’s a charge against which there is no possible defense. In the world of the virtue-signalling, privilege-checking, SJWs (that would be you, “sweetie”), once someone is charged with being racist, nothing that person can say would ever make them not be a racist. Not too dissimilar to the Salem witch trials - the accusation alone is enough.

I would agree that today - after 8 years of identity politics under our Community Organizer in Chief - racism is again a big issue. Growing up in the 80s and 90s, not so much. Want to see a world where nobody cared what color your skin was? Look at the DoD at that time. I went to a DoD elementary school, and the issue there wasn’t black/white/asian/transotter, it was Army/Air Force/Navy/Marines. Whatever our skin color, we didn’t mock or ridicule others about their skin color - it was the color of their uniform that mattered. My particular school was mostly Army/Air Force, so the colors we discriminated along were blue and green. Army kids played infantry, Air Force kids played fighter pilot. My specialty was the A-10, while my friend flew an F-16 in the swing next to mine.

Want to get people to stop caring about race? Stop making everything about race.
Want to call me racist? Fine. If charging others with racism is what it takes for you to feel better about yourself, then no skin off my nose. In this day and age, simply being a white, Christian male is enough to be branded a racist, misogynistic agent of the Patriarchy, so fine - I’m a racist.
 
In this day and age, simply being a white, Christian male is enough to be branded a racist, misogynistic agent of the Patriarchy, so fine - I’m a racist.
If simply being white is not enough, not picking up a pitchfork, torch and rope to join the throng will be seen by many as racist. God forbid you stand up for justice or truth over mob rule.
 
Talking about racism makes people get defensive because it’s a charge against which there is no possible defense. In the world of the virtue-signalling, privilege-checking, SJWs (that would be you, “sweetie”), once someone is charged with being racist, nothing that person can say would ever make them not be a racist. Not too dissimilar to the Salem witch trials - the accusation alone is enough.

I would agree that today - after 8 years of identity politics under our Community Organizer in Chief - racism is again a big issue. Growing up in the 80s and 90s, not so much. Want to see a world where nobody cared what color your skin was? Look at the DoD at that time. I went to a DoD elementary school, and the issue there wasn’t black/white/asian/transotter, it was Army/Air Force/Navy/Marines. Whatever our skin color, we didn’t mock or ridicule others about their skin color - it was the color of their uniform that mattered. My particular school was mostly Army/Air Force, so the colors we discriminated along were blue and green. Army kids played infantry, Air Force kids played fighter pilot. My specialty was the A-10, while my friend flew an F-16 in the swing next to mine.

Want to get people to stop caring about race? Stop making everything about race.
Want to call me racist? Fine. If charging others with racism is what it takes for you to feel better about yourself, then no skin off my nose. In this day and age, simply being a white, Christian male is enough to be branded a racist, misogynistic agent of the Patriarchy, so fine - I’m a racist.
What word would you suggest?

As soon as we identify with a group we tend to be hyper-sensitive to what other groups think of us instead of trying to relate to the other group and justify most anything done by others in our group.

You’re green, so you are okay. Everyone knows greens can’t swim. True Blue. Republican vs Democrat. Christian vs Muslim. Army vs Navy. What overall word???
 
I literally said that not all of these cases are a result of racism sweetie…stop trying to pick a fight…on a catholic forum…

(And the reason why I refuse to continue the conversation because it’ll escalate 🙂 )

If you don’t believe that racism is a big issue in the US, you are either completely sheltered or are a racist yourself, I don’t see how that’s inaccurate. Racists usually don’t see themselves as racists and get very defensive about it. If talking about racism makes you get defensive…

Maybe it’s time to pick up a bible instead of picking a fight?
Folks saying they are reserving judgment until the facts come out, much like Freddie Gray, Michael Brown, and a host of others is hardly saying racism doesn’t still exist in both the white and black communities. Racism will always exist. As will poverty, greed, sexual perversions, and penchant for a single sock to disappear between the hamper and the dryer.

As far as recommending religious practices to folks you know nothing about, I’ll have you know I posted while reading Exodus, watching an episode of “What’s Happening” and trying to solve Fermat’s Last Theorem without cheating.
 
I would agree that today - after 8 years of identity politics under our Community Organizer in Chief - racism is again a big issue. Growing up in the 80s and 90s, not so much.
You really think racism wasn’t a big issue in the '80s and '90s?
 
Compared to today? No.
A lot of the art created 25-30 years ago addressing institutional racism and police brutality would be considered on the nose today. I can only imagine since you said you were growing up during that time period you were less aware of then-current events, as most kids are.
 
A lot of the art created 25-30 years ago addressing institutional racism and police brutality would be considered on the nose today. I can only imagine since you said you were growing up during that time period you were less aware of then-current events, as most kids are.
How are race relations as compared to 50 years ago?
 
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