Outrage after video captures white Baton Rouge police officer fatally shooting a black man

[lmachine]

How are race relations as compared to 50 years ago?

Better. Not good, but better.

 

[J_Peterson]

You need to watch reruns of the Jeffersons. You dance good for a honkey, btw.

I’ve been watching the Jeffersons a lot lately and man was that show edgy, especially the earlier episodes.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

This is so very sad.

What is puzzling to me and what will come out in the investigation is that he had a weapon in his pocket and wasn’t asked to surrender it in advance before being questioned? ALL police officers ask people if they have any weapons on them, period. It is a matter of protocol. A police officer will always ask anyone if they have any guns or knives on them it is a safety measure for everyone.

I almost always have a knife on my. It’s one of the many items in the Leatherman’s multipurpose tool that I carry around (for utility). I often forget it’s there. I’ve never been asked by local police if I have a knife on me. I’m not sure if they are not following procedure or if it’s not part of local procedure. Then again I’ve never been asked to exist my vehicle.

I understand in some places if you have a gun you are required to disclose it as soon as the officer approaches. Also in some places if you have a gun license (even if you don’t have the gun with you) you are required to disclose it when the office ask for ID. There have been some places where the requirement to disclose that you have a gun license has been ended, but the termination of the requirement wasn’t associated with all officers simultaneously having that requirement change in their knowledge.

 

[pnewton]

Here are the President’s comments. I am glad I am not the only one that is not rushing to judgment.

whitehouse.gov/blog/2016/07/07/president-obama-fatal-shootings-alton-sterling-and-philando-castile

 

[Jake_Parker]

Want to get people to stop caring about race? Stop making everything about race.
Want to call me racist? Fine. If charging others with racism is what it takes for you to feel better about yourself, then no skin off my nose. In this day and age, simply being a white, Christian male is enough to be branded a racist, misogynistic agent of the Patriarchy, so fine - I’m a racist.

I find it nearly impossible to believe that racism is completely gone only about 50 years after the end of the Civil Rights Movement. Outlawing segregation and mistreatment of black people is not the solution, that is just one step towards a solution. Why should we stop caring about race? Race is a unique characteristic (among others) that is part of a person. Being color blind will not end racism. Being able to acknowledge that we are all
prejudice is one way or another is a good first step. Racism is one of those prejudices that some people hold to. It is never comfortable to acknowledge our prejudice, but it is necessary to acknowledge it if we are ever going to fix it. I am a white Christian male, I have never been called racist or misogynist. That is not to say it won’t ever happen, but it has not so far.

There are men, women, young, old, black, white, yellow, brown. Gender, age, race all are ways to differentiate us, and make us unique. There is no reason to ignore the differences. We are all part of the human race, but the human race is made up of many unique individuals with various characteristics.

 

[estesbob]

Better. Not good, but better.

Having traveled n the South in the late 50s and early 60s i can tell you it light years better than it was. The biggest problem today is Govt programs that have destroyed the African American Family, forced African American kids into substandard school and caused institutionalized poverty for a large number of African Americans

 

[TMC]

You really think racism wasn’t a big issue in the '80s and '90s?

No, racism was invented in 2008. Before that everything was peachy keen in America.

 

[Lea101]

Talking about racism makes people get defensive because it’s a charge against which there is no possible defense. In the world of the virtue-signalling, privilege-checking, SJWs (that would be you, “sweetie”), once someone is charged with being racist, nothing that person can say would ever make them not be a racist. Not too dissimilar to the Salem witch trials - the accusation alone is enough.

I would agree that today - after 8 years of identity politics under our Community Organizer in Chief - racism is again a big issue. Growing up in the 80s and 90s, not so much. Want to see a world where nobody cared what color your skin was? Look at the DoD at that time. I went to a DoD elementary school, and the issue there wasn’t black/white/asian/transotter, it was Army/Air Force/Navy/Marines. Whatever our skin color, we didn’t mock or ridicule others about their skin color - it was the color of their uniform that mattered. My particular school was mostly Army/Air Force, so the colors we discriminated along were blue and green. Army kids played infantry, Air Force kids played fighter pilot. My specialty was the A-10, while my friend flew an F-16 in the swing next to mine.

Want to get people to stop caring about race? Stop making everything about race.
Want to call me racist? Fine. If charging others with racism is what it takes for you to feel better about yourself, then no skin off my nose. In this day and age, simply being a white, Christian male is enough to be branded a racist, misogynistic agent of the Patriarchy, so fine - I’m a racist.

Um…no.

There are a lot of white people that actually care about racial minorities. When someone is talking about racism, they LISTEN and be sympathetic. They aren’t racist.

The reason why a lot of white people get branded as racists is because they refuse to acknowledge it. Or they will bring up their own sob story and act like they have it just as bad. “They called me mayo!!!”

One example: I was denied a job because of the color of my skin (like the boss literally said no after I told her my race over the phone). My friends, who isn’t a minority, were rightfully angry at this. Are they racist, no.

That’s literally what people want you guys to do. Be angry at the injustice instead of denying it/ignoring it. Racism did not evaporate when slavery became illegal. Just because you are not racist does not mean everyone else are not racist as well. Acknowledging it instead of getting defensive about it when someone accuse someone of your race as racist is a way better response.

Still don’t get it? Let’s say you are ranting to your friend about your problems. Your friend listens=good friebd. Your friends interrupts you and starts telling his own problems=bad friend.

It’s not that hard to be mature about it. If someone accuses you (not your race) to be racist in front of people, calmly ask them why. If they make up some ridiculous reason, people will know that the person is “reaching”. If 2 or 3 people of that race found what you say or do racist, then humbly apologize and say that you weren’t aware that you were being offensive. Nobody will then think you are a racist. The moment you get defensive, you honestly look bad because you can’t see what you did wrong. If you cannot acknowledge the fact that you have white privilege, you’re part of the problem (I hate that phrase because of the way how SJWs use it but that’s the best way I can say it)

Ignoring racism does not end racism. Ignoring racism does not end racism. Ignoring racism does not end racism.

Pointing out racism when we see it will help. Minorities are not making everything about race, it’s just that you guys don’t see the issue they are talking about as “wrong”.

Just because you “don’t see colour” does not mean everyone else does.

Racism is everywhere. It’s not just White vs Black, it can be white vs asian, asian vs black etc etc. Ignoring it is the same as condoning it.

Being a white Christian male puts you in a better position than most people, it does not make you racist or sexist but when you refuse to accept it or refuse speaking about certain things (or defend the actions of actual white men), people are going to see you as part of the problem. Now these sort of stuff is very common on social media (racist comments) so if you’re not on it, you might simply not know the terrible things being said and think black people are playing the victims.

Anyway, it’s Christian-like to reach out towards people who are facing injustice. It’s not Christian-like to be a trump supporting redneck that rants on Twitter about how black people need to start acting less black if they want to live, how Islam is the biggest problem in the world and Muslims are evil, how it’s an abomination when women refuse to sit at home all day and wear long skirts (These people actually exist, I know, it’s terrible)

If you can constantly speak out about abortion, you can also speak out about the injustices different groups face IMO.

 

[anon67074017]

All this outrage is an overreaction. All Americans should be more worried about North Korea than the police right now. I bet that the North Koreans are laughing at us and they may be thinking it will be a good time to strike soon.

 

[sallybutler]

All this outrage is an overreaction. All Americans should be more worried about North Korea than the police right now. I bet that the North Koreans are laughing at us and they may be thinking it will be a good time to strike soon.

I hope that you will also maintain that attitude towards all other issues.

 

[XndrK]

All this outrage is an overreaction. All Americans should be more worried about North Korea than the police right now. I bet that the North Koreans are laughing at us and they may be thinking it will be a good time to strike soon.

Uh … okay.

 

[Jake_Parker]

All this outrage is an overreaction. All Americans should be more worried about North Korea than the police right now. I bet that the North Koreans are laughing at us and they may be thinking it will be a good time to strike soon.

Please tell us, what is the reasonable level of outrage? Should we wait until an entire black family gets gunned down? Maybe a whole neighborhood? When would be an acceptable time to be angry and consider working towards a solution? Apparently there’s no reason to be angered by issues in our home country when there are issues in other countries.
Let me ask you, how outraged were you about the outcome of the Clinton email scandal addressed by Director Comey.

 

[chero23]

If I may, I’m going to play devils advocate here.

Obama has come and stated in the past that the police has some shady doings when it comes to blacks. People have cried wolf with the way he’s stated things.

We’ve had 2 shootings with some descent incriminating evidence in both instances on the police. Now, I know a verdict has not been handed, but even if these cops are let go (which more than likely they will) at what point do people turn the corner and see the other sides point of view?

 

[XndrK]

If I may, I’m going to play devils advocate here.

Obama has come and stated in the past that the police has some shady doings when it comes to blacks. People have cried wolf with the way he’s stated things.

We’ve had 2 shootings with some descent incriminating evidence in both instances on the police. Now, I know a verdict has not been handed, but even if these cops are let go (which more than likely they will) at what point do people turn the corner and see the other sides point of view?

“The other side” being #BLM?

 

[chero23]

“The other side” being #BLM?

Maybe not necessarily black lives matter, but that police go after minorities on a more frequent basis.

Some people have complained already, after the Minnessotta governor stated today that had the gentlemen been white, he would of been alive.

 

[gracepoole]

Not too dissimilar to the Salem witch trials - the accusation alone is enough.

In Salem, there were no witches. Are there no racists today, then?

Growing up in the 80s and 90s, not so much.

:ehh:

 

[chero23]

Shots fired at Dallas protest.

Two cops were shot.

nbcdfw.com/news/local/Protests-in-Dallas-Over-Alton-Sterling-Death-385784431.html

 

[anon67074017]

Please tell us, what is the reasonable level of outrage? Should we wait until an entire black family gets gunned down? Maybe a whole neighborhood? When would be an acceptable time to be angry and consider working towards a solution? Apparently there’s no reason to be angered by issues in our home country when there are issues in other countries.
Let me ask you, how outraged were you about the outcome of the Clinton email scandal addressed by Director Comey.

The outrage should only occur when something unjust happens.

 

[Monkey1976]

There are a lot of white people that actually care about racial minorities. When someone is talking about racism, they LISTEN and be sympathetic. They aren’t racist.

I’m quite sympathetic when actual racism manifests itself. What’s not racist is getting sick of being called racist every time I don’t toe the progressive line, ritually abase myself, and don the hair shirt of “white privilege”.

The reason why a lot of white people get branded as racists is because they refuse to acknowledge it. Or they will bring up their own sob story and act like they have it just as bad. “They called me mayo!!!”

There’s refusing to acknowledge, and there’s accusation fatigue. Since Mr. Obama’s first run in 2008, I’ve been repeatedly accused of being a racist because I didn’t vote for him/disagree with him and/or his policies/think that he will be remembered as a terrible President/etc, and it’s only gotten worse from there. I don’t give a gnat’s fart if someone calls me honky, cracker, mayo, whatever. I’m just sick of being accused of racism because I don’t worship at the altar of the Almighty PoC.

One example: I was denied a job because of the color of my skin (like the boss literally said no after I told her my race over the phone). My friends, who isn’t a minority, were rightfully angry at this. Are they racist, no.

First, why would you volunteer your race over the phone in that context? The employer doesn’t need to know, and it shouldn’t factor into their decision. If it actually did - I’ll be charitable and assume you didn’t announce it as a political statement - then that business is due to be shut down from the penalties that boss brought down upon them for making race a factor in a hiring decision.

That’s literally what people want you guys to do. Be angry at the injustice instead of denying it/ignoring it. Racism did not evaporate when slavery became illegal. Just because you are not racist does not mean everyone else are not racist as well. Acknowledging it instead of getting defensive about it when someone accuse someone of your race as racist is a way better response.

Racism qua racism will always be with us. Humans are social animals - we form groups based on commonalities, which necessarily excludes those seen as “the other”. What no longer exists - in spite of what BlackLivesMatter, the Nation of Islam, the Black Panther Party, and every “Minority”/Black/“African” studies major will tell you - is legally supported institutional racism. Do cops shoot proportionally more black suspects than white? Yes. Now look at the crime statistics - black males commit violent crimes more than white males in an almost identical proportion to the ratio of black vs. white suspects shot. Would you like to know the leading cause of death among young black males? Surprise, surprise, it’s not the po-po - it’s other young black males. Want me to believe that BlackLivesMatter and all the rest really care about the problems facing black people in America? Let me know when they even acknowledge that fact.

It’s not that hard to be mature about it. If someone accuses you (not your race) to be racist in front of people, calmly ask them why. If they make up some ridiculous reason, people will know that the person is “reaching”. If 2 or 3 people of that race found what you say or do racist, then humbly apologize and say that you weren’t aware that you were being offensive. Nobody will then think you are a racist. The moment you get defensive, you honestly look bad because you can’t see what you did wrong. If you cannot acknowledge the fact that you have white privilege, you’re part of the problem (I hate that phrase because of the way how SJWs use it but that’s the best way I can say it)

First, welcome to 2016. Today, there is zero defense against a charge of racism. The vast majority of people who make that accusation aren’t interested in an apology, or explaining why they made the charge, or educating those charged on what they can do to be seen as “not racist” beyond bowing to their every demand. Think Mr. Obama is a bad President? Racist. Want to control immigration so that we know who’s entering the country? Racist. Think that reparations for slavery are a bad idea? Racist. Think everyone should be held to the same standard under the law? Racist. This isn’t hyperbole - it’s the reality we now live and work in.

Second, kindly take that “white privilege” nonsense and deposit it in the refuse bin, set it on fire, salt the ashes, seal them in concrete, then sink the whole mess in Challenger Deep. Want to know why it’s seen as deeply offensive and racist? Think about how you would react if you were told that the only reason you were able to accomplish anything is because of your race. You have no personal agency at all. You never earned anything, you never worked for anything, and you never faced hardship. It’s all because of the color of your skin, not the content of your character. Rev. King must be spinning so hard in his grave that we could hook him up to the power grid and solve all future energy problems.

Ignoring racism does not end racism. Ignoring racism does not end racism. Ignoring racism does not end racism.

Repetition does not an argument make, nor does it make falsehoods truth. All it does is show you have no further actual arguments to make, and are reduced to flinging poo like an angry lemur. Also, you forgot the clapclap* after each line, “sweetie”.

 

[Monkey1976]

Pointing out racism when we see it will help. Minorities are not making everything about race, it’s just that you guys don’t see the issue they are talking about as “wrong”.

Know how many unarmed white people were killed by police in the past week? Neither do I, because the media doesn’t care. They only care when a black person is killed by the police, no matter how justified. Then - like clockwork - our Benevolent Community Organizer in Chief delivers a speech which makes it all about nothing but race, while groups of “protesters” block streets, throw bottles, loot, steal, riot, and burn down their own cities. I watched it happen to my own city, and I’m sick of seeing the neverending rewards and promotions of the culture of victimhood which has taken over black communities.

Just because you “don’t see colour” does not mean everyone else does.

That I’m well aware of. I’ve never seen so much hatred in people’s eyes as the time I had to walk past a BlackLivesMatter protest to reach a government office. Those people didn’t know me from Adam, but they saw a White Devil and hated him.

Racism is everywhere. It’s not just White vs Black, it can be white vs asian, asian vs black etc etc. Ignoring it is the same as condoning it.

Refusing to believe the mob who cried wolf isn’t ignoring it.

Being a white Christian male puts you in a better position than most people, it does not make you racist or sexist but when you refuse to accept it or refuse speaking about certain things (or defend the actions of actual white men), people are going to see you as part of the problem. Now these sort of stuff is very common on social media (racist comments) so if you’re not on it, you might simply not know the terrible things being said and think black people are playing the victims.

And there it is - unless I do what I’m told, loyally parrot the lies, curse myself for how awful my lack of melanin makes me, admit I’ve never actually earned a thing in my life, and believe every word of the Infallible PoC Army, I’m a racist.

Anyway, it’s Christian-like to reach out towards people who are facing injustice. It’s not Christian-like to be a trump supporting redneck that rants on Twitter about how black people need to start acting less black if they want to live, how Islam is the biggest problem in the world and Muslims are evil, how it’s an abomination when women refuse to sit at home all day and wear long skirts (These people actually exist, I know, it’s terrible)

And now even supporting the only viable alternative to an incompetent, easily confused lying criminal is a racist act. Islam is a major problem in the world. How many killings in the name of all other religions were there over the past 30 days were there, worldwide? Zero. How many killings in the name of Islam? 1850 in 238 attacks. Tell me again that Religion of Peace[sup]Terms and Jizya apply, peace to be defined as total submission to the Caliphate[/sup] isn’t a problem.

If you can constantly speak out about abortion, you can also speak out about the injustices different groups face IMO.

I’ll be happy to. Just show me where there’s actual injustice, not the whining of crybullies who want the world handed to them on a golden platter.