Outrage after video captures white Baton Rouge police officer fatally shooting a black man

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sallybutler said:
The only problem I have with what you say, is did the police know going in that the man had a criminal background?

The answer to that is NO!!!
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I believe the issue is not whether the police shot him because of his background, but the irony of the up-welling of support for the is man, who was treated in the media like a pillar of the community, then we find out of he did prison time for molesting a fourteen year old.

That said, the reason he was shot had nothing to do with his background, but his background might well have motivated his fighting the police. Shooting someone is not an act of justice, but an act of self-defense, or in some cases, defense of another. Ideally, and in almost all situations, it is the actions of the one who is shot that bring about his own demise.

This case, as in all shootings, will be investigated to see if this is what happened.
 
Before killing Alton Sterling, Baton Rouge police had a history of brutality complaints
Many law enforcement officials came to Louisiana immediately after Hurricane Katrina to provide reinforcements, and one state trooper from Michigan said Baton Rouge police attempted to thank him for his help by letting him “beat down” a prisoner. A trooper from New Mexico wrote a letter to the Baton Rouge police expressing the concerns of seven New Mexico troopers and five Michigan troopers that Baton Rouge police were engaging in racially motivated enforcement, that they were physically abusing prisoners and the public and that they were stopping, questioning and searching people without any legal justification.
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In case you weren’t paying attention, I’ll repeat it: The people accusing Baton Rouge police of brutality and racism were other law enforcement officials.
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Alton Sterling Witness: Cops Took My Phone, My Surveillance Video, Locked Me Up
BATON ROUGE, Louisiana — The owner of the convenience store where Alton Sterling was killed last week by cops alleges in a lawsuit that police stole surveillance video from his shop, confiscated his cell phone, and locked him inside a car for the next four hours.
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“I told them I would like to be in the store when [they took it],” Muflahi told The Daily Beast, adding that he also demanded they get a warrant for the seizure of his private property.
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Officers didn’t even file an application for a search warrant, The Daily Beast found last week. Nor did Muflahi sign a “Voluntary Consent to Search Form” with the Baton Rouge police.
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TMC said:
No, racism was invented in 2008. Before that everything was peachy keen in America.
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The Democrat Party invented and created the KKK to keep down black people after the Civil War.

After the Civil War, the black people were Republicans and won many elective offices including to Congress.
 
Fuerza said:
That’s not typically an option. Tasers are not 100% effective and sometimes one of the prongs misses its mark or does not adequately penetrate clothing. While this can still produce a painful shock, it is not in any way debilitating and will not stop someone intent on causing harm. If an officer is faced with an armed subject and the Taser is not effective, he has essentially signed his own death warrant. There is virtually no chance that he will have the opportunity to drop the Taser, draw his weapon and fire before the subject is on him and able to stab/slice/shoot. There may be times where, when faced with something other than a firearm (knife, bat, axe etc…) one officer may employ a less lethal while another provides lethal cover in case of failure, but this depends on distance, manpower and many factors beyond the officers’ control. A single officer, or even multiple officers in close proximity to the subject, will almost always have to resort to a lethal weapon.

As I mentioned in another post, in my agency an officer who drew his Taser or spray in the face of a subject armed with any weapon at all (except under the extremely limited circumstances already mentioned) would be suspended if not terminated. Not only does he recklessly place himself in danger by not adequately addressing the threat, but in doing so he has failed to protect any other victims who might be attacked after he himself is killed or disabled.

Your second point above is the ideal scenario, and often is not possible. I too would like to know the particular circumstances.
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Now that’s a novel concept–knowing all the facts before weighing in.🙂
 
Monte_RCMS said:
The Democrat Party invented and created the KKK to keep down black people after the Civil War.

After the Civil War, the black people were Republicans and won many elective offices including to Congress.
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Yes, we all know the history. And in the 60’s the parties switched positions on race when Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act. Nixon solidified the switch with the Southern Strategy. That is why many Dems switched to the GOP in the 60s and 70s, and vice versa.

But racism has been part of America from the very beginning. It is not a new phenomena.
 
False, more Republicans than Democrats supported the Civil Rights Act. The most significant opposition came from Barry Goldwater who opposed the legislation because he had concerns about the Constitutionality, not the objective.

The South went Republican at the same time that the Democrats became soft on Communists.
 
TMC said:
Yes, we all know the history. And in the 60’s the parties switched positions on race when Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act. Nixon solidified the switch with the Southern Strategy. That is why many Dems switched to the GOP in the 60s and 70s, and vice versa.

But racism has been part of America from the very beginning. It is not a new phenomena.
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Thats somewhat of a myth. A greater % of Republicans supported the Civil Rights act than Democrats . And the overwhelming number of democrats who switched , like myself, did so because the Democrat Party’s increasing commitment to the culture of death. But its a lot easier to justify staying in the party by slimeing those who left as racists rather than look at 50 million plus dead because of Democrat policies
 
starshiptrooper said:
False, more Republicans than Democrats supported the Civil Rights Act. The most significant opposition came from Barry Goldwater who opposed the legislation because he had concerns about the Constitutionality, not the objective.

The South went Republican at the same time that the Democrats became soft on Communists.
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And hard on babies.
 
estesbob said:
Thats somewhat of a myth. A greater % of Republicans supported the Civil Rights act than Democrats . And the overwhelming number of democrats who switched , like myself, did so because the Democrat Party’s increasing commitment to the culture of death. But its a lot easier to justify staying in the party by slimeing those who left as racists rather than look at 50 million plus dead because of Democrat policies
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Its not a myth at all. Yes, the GOP supported the Civil Rights Act, and used to be overall much better on civil rights than the Dems. Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act, which was opposed by many, if not most, Dems. After that, the parties positions on civil rights began to flip, culminating with Nixon’s southern strategy. For the last 40 years, the parties have been in the opposite position of what they were in the 50’s.

I am sure there are many reasons why people switched parties, but it is certainly true that the parties switched positions on race, and that fact influenced the decisions of many voters and politicians to switch parties.
 
TMC said:
Yes, we all know the history. And in the 60’s the parties switched positions on race when Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act. Nixon solidified the switch with the Southern Strategy. That is why many Dems switched to the GOP in the 60s and 70s, and vice versa.

But racism has been part of America from the very beginning. It is not a new phenomena.
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When Lyndon Johnson was in the U.S. Senate, he bottled up the Civil Rights Act. And he didn’t let it move forward until he was President of the U.S., so HE could take credit for it.
 
TMC said:
Its not a myth at all. Yes, the GOP supported the Civil Rights Act, and used to be overall much better on civil rights than the Dems. Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act, which was opposed by many, if not most, Dems. After that, the parties positions on civil rights began to flip, culminating with Nixon’s southern strategy. For the last 40 years, the parties have been in the opposite position of what they were in the 50’s.

I am sure there are many reasons why people switched parties, but it is certainly true that the parties switched positions on race, and that fact influenced the decisions of many voters and politicians to switch parties.
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The Democrat party has done more harm to African Americans than all the white supremacists groups in history. They have overseen the death of 20 million black children, destroyed the black family, condemned their children to substandard schools and bought about institutionalized poverty for millions. Like the Democrat Party of the 50s they are dedicated to keeping them down.
 
estesbob said:
The Democrat party has done more harm to African Americans than all the white supremacists groups in history. They have overseen the death of 20 million black children, destroyed the black family, condemned their children to substandard schools and bought about institutionalized poverty for millions. Like the Democrat Party of the 50s they are dedicated to keeping them down.
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The City of Chicago has near total gun control … and yet, the black on black crime is an epidemic.

THOUSANDS of killings of black people in the inner cities.

ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY.

This is all at the feet of the Democrat Party.

NO OTHER explanation.

Black on black crime is ten times higher, at least, than black on white or white on white or white on black killing.

Just this minute received my copy of “The War on Cops” by Heatherr MacDonald.

Get this book.

It has ALL of the data.
 
You can argue about the history all you want but black people vote Democrat because the party represents their interests better than Republicans. Saying “Well, actually, the Democratic Party is worse for black Americans than white supremacists” is saying black people are too stupid to know which side of the aisle benefits them more and frankly doesn’t look good for the person saying it.
 
lmachine said:
You can argue about the history all you want but black people vote Democrat because the party represents their interests better than Republicans. Saying “Well, actually, the Democratic Party is worse for black Americans than white supremacists” is saying black people are too stupid to know which side of the aisle benefits them more and frankly doesn’t look good for the person saying it.
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No, it is not the same. One does not have to be stupid to be duped. Which party is better for blacks is a matter of opinion, one that not all blacks agree on. It may be the minority of blacks who are Republicans know best. In any case, understand this is an argument of opinion, not fact. There is some evidence that Democratic administration results in more violence, like the case of Chicago.

Perhaps you know of some other evidence?
 
lmachine said:
You can argue about the history all you want but black people vote Democrat because the party represents their interests better than Republicans. Saying “Well, actually, the Democratic Party is worse for black Americans than white supremacists” is saying black people are too stupid to know which side of the aisle benefits them more and frankly doesn’t look good for the person saying it.
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So what exactly has the Democrat Party done for them?
 
estesbob said:
So what exactly has the Democrat Party done for them?
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I asked a few. The responses I got could be generalized as neither party is doing anything specifically to benefit black people. But they believe the Republican party would do things detrimental to black people. Not that the few people I asked are statistically significant.
 
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