Outrage over sexual freedom movements

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I’m not putting words in your mouth. I’m using your reasoning. If God didn’t want us to have it, he wouldn’t give it to us.

Common sense tells a forty-five year old couple with a heavy mortgage and five kids in high school and college, mired in bills, that yet another kid would definitely not be a good idea.

Good idea or bad idea, I think contraception is here to stay, among Catholics as well. Most use it now.
 
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ConstantLearner said:
I’m not putting words in your mouth. I’m using your reasoning. If God didn’t want us to have it, he wouldn’t give it to us.

Common sense tells a forty-five year old couple with a heavy mortgage and five kids in high school and college, mired in bills, that yet another kid would definitely not be a good idea.
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Stop. You’re going to give me bad dreams… 😂
 
Why would we preach abstinence to the unmarried youth but not to the married? If you can survive your teenage years without denying chastity too much then your middle years should be a cinch.
 
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Well marriage isn’t an excuse to use your spouse for sexual gratification. If you can’t possibly support more children and NFP won’t work, it’s better to stay abstinent than sin.
 
But do people really need sex? Except for having children? Because you say that you denying your drive. Im not judging but I just want to know. My mind is really destroyed with modern things and I cant think clearly
 
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Well marriage isn’t an excuse to use your spouse for sexual gratification.
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I think the language is “the unitive function of the marital act”.
So as long as it’s mutual and consenting, yeah. Yeah it is.
If you can’t possibly support more children and NFP won’t work, it’s better to stay abstinent than sin.
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I think the point being raised is that the Church has pulled another “Galileo” on the issue.
 
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Babinicz said:
But do people really need sex? Except for having children? Because you say that you denying your drive.
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He didn’t say that. I did.

You have an evolved and deep-seated drive for sex. It fundamentally promotes the survival of your species through you.
 
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But do people really need sex? Except for having children? Because you say that you denying your drive. Im not judging but I just want to know. My mind is really destroyed with modern things and I cant think clearly
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Some feel they do and some don’t. But men need “relief” from time-to-time or problems can ensue. But that doesn’t require a partner physiologically.
 
First, get off this thread. Not for young eyes.

Second, people never need sex. How else do the celibate among us get along? However, we all have an innate drive to procreate and express love to our spouses. Nobody needs sex but it feels good and some people want more than they’re supposed to have.
 
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First, get off this thread. Not for young eyes.

Second, people never need sex. How else do the celibate among us get along? However, we all have an innate drive to procreate and express love to our spouses. Nobody needs sex but it feels good and some people want more than they’re supposed to have.
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Is he a little kid?
 
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Why would we preach abstinence to the unmarried youth but not to the married? If you can survive your teenage years without denying chastity too much then your middle years should be a cinch.
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Married couples who practice abstinence after their family is complete are special in the eyes of the Church. Mary and Joseph were abstinent.
 
I never blamed the parent. It’s not the parents’ fault, but it’s a fact of life that birth defects rise dramatically after age thirty. Nor did I say anything against autistic children. There is one in my extended family, and he’s a sweet kid, though finds controlling his temper a trial. The poor kid has to take a lot of medication, but he;s a good kid. I also have nothing against gays, lesbians, bisexuals, or transgenders. They need love, too. Jesus commanded us to love one another. He didn’t exclude anyone. And, as you stated God never makes a mistake. It’s still theoretical, but doctors have found that men and women have brains that operate very differently. Transgenders seem to have gotten the wrong genitals or the wrong brain. I think the Church is very uncharitable to them, especially. (And, by the way, I am a heterosexual, thirty-three-year-old woman.)

You made my point again. If God gives us what we need, then why bother going to a doctor when we’re sick? If God didn’t want us to be sick, we wouldn’t be. God can do anything. He can cure the suffering.

I don’t agree with that reasoning. God works through others, I believe, and that includes doctors. I don’t see why he can’t work through contraception to help overworked and overburdened families, with too many children and too many bills, with limiting family size.
 
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It wasn’t “aimed” at you, so you err in personalizing it.

It’s a fact, older births have more problems - both with the delivery and the children themselves. My wife’s OB wouldn’t accept mothers-to-be over 40 unless they also were willing to partner (and pay the expense) with a high-risk OB over-seeing the pregnancy.
 
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