Palestinians Admitted to Unesco in Landslide Vote

[Scott_Lafrance]

That’s what I thought. To claim that the Israeli government is opposed to a Palestinian state is disenginuous.

It appears that the Palestinians are the ones opposed to a Palestinian state.

 

[seekerz]

That’s what I thought. To claim that the Israeli government is opposed to a Palestinian state is disenginuous.

So let me get this straight…the thing they have been fighting for was handed to them and they “balked”. Just like that? What, did they get cold feet like a couple on the eve of their wedding?

 

[rlg94086]

So let me get this straight…the thing they have been fighting for was handed to them and they “balked”. Just like that? What, did they get cold feet like a couple on the eve of their wedding?

This has happened more than once. I don’t remember the particulars in this case, but it usually has to do with the terms…like Israel still existing…

 

[iamrefreshed]

It appears that the Palestinians are the ones opposed to a Palestinian state.

They’ve been slurping up their corrupt leaders kool-aid for so long they don’t know any other way.

Form a state, lose the money train.

 

[seekerz]

This has happened more than once. I don’t remember the particulars in this case, but it usually has to do with the terms…like Israel still existing…

The" particulars" were the direct cause of the “balking” so it would help if you remembered them. Was the Israeli government serious about allowing a Palestinian state while allowing a freeze on West Bank settlements to expire and building there to resume? Are they seriously expecting a Palestinian state to refuse the right of return to Palestinian refugees or to give up the right to have a military? How would said Palestinian state defend itself from the armed groups determined to torpedo any attempt at living peaceably with Israel? Would Israel ‘loan’ them its military forces and if so, in what real way could a Palestinian state be said to exist?

Maybe both sides could simplify things by each defining the word “state”.

 

[GaryTaylor]

This has happened more than once. I don’t remember the particulars in this case, but it usually has to do with the terms…like Israel still existing…

Exactly

The complete article was in the New-Haven CT Register “Sunday, October 30. 2011”

Title: “Road to peace between Israel, Palestine may be harder to map out than ever”

94.2% of the West Bank was offered to Palestine. This would have bought the total Palestine land area to 100% of the pre-1967 borders of the West Bank.

Peace,

 

[rlg94086]

The" particulars" were the direct cause of the “balking” so it would help if you remembered them. Was the Israeli government serious about allowing a Palestinian state while allowing a freeze on West Bank settlements to expire and building there to resume? Are they seriously expecting a Palestinian state to refuse the right of return to Palestinian refugees or to give up the right to have a military? How would said Palestinian state defend itself from the armed groups determined to torpedo any attempt at living peaceably with Israel? Would Israel ‘loan’ them its military forces and if so, in what real way could a Palestinian state be said to exist?

Maybe both sides could simplify things by each defining the word “state”.

I’m sorry. If you want particulars, look it up yourself. I didn’t bring it up. All I did is agree with someone else’s post based on my recollection. I don’t think there is any rule, written or unwritten, that says I need to supply details every time I agree with another poster.

 

[seekerz]

Exactly

The complete article was in the New-Haven CT Register “Sunday, October 30. 2011”

Title: “Road to peace between Israel, Palestine may be harder to map out than ever”

94.2% of the West Bank was offered to Palestine. This would have bought the total Palestine land area to 100% of the pre-1967 borders of the West Bank.

Peace,

And what would have happened to the West Bank settlements (remember rebuilding restarted during supposed negotiations for said Palestinian state)? Let’s tell the whole story of those negotiations - not just selected bits and pieces.

 

[seekerz]

I’m sorry. If you want particulars, look it up yourself. I didn’t bring it up. All I did is agree with someone else’s post based on my recollection. I don’t think there is any rule, written or unwritten, that says I need to supply details every time I agree with another poster.

Yeah, I agree. Kinda the same way I can root for any team I choose without knowing or caring about their stats, off-field behavior or ownership.

 

[estesbob]

And what would have happened to the West Bank settlements (remember rebuilding restarted during supposed negotiations for said Palestinian state)? Let’s tell the whole story of those negotiations - not just selected bits and pieces.

Interesting that the Palestinians demand the right of return to Israel but want to exclude any Jews from the new Palestinian state

 

[iamrefreshed]

Maybe both sides could simplify things by each defining the word “state”.

I believe you will find one side that defines ‘state’ as a land without Jews.

 

[rlg94086]

Yeah, I agree. Kinda the same way I can root for any team I choose without knowing or caring about their stats, off-field behavior or ownership.

Actually, not the same. It’s more like…I don’t watch or closely follow baseball, but I heard that World Series game 6 was great and St Louis won. If you want more details than that, look them up yourself.

 

[seekerz]

Interesting that the Palestinians demand the right of return to Israel but want to exclude any Jews from the new Palestinian state

Not sure why any refugee: Jewish or Palestinian should be excluded. That’s a basic human right - which Jews hold particularly dear even after centuries of being scattered over the globe.

 

[Darryl1958]

I’m sorry. If you want particulars, look it up yourself. I didn’t bring it up. All I did is agree with someone else’s post based on my recollection. I don’t think there is any rule, written or unwritten, that says I need to supply details every time I agree with another poster.

Oslo Accords, which Arafat signed on to in English, ended up in the Intifada, which Arafate declared in Arabic.
Unilateral withdrawal of Jews from Gaza ended up in a rocket barrage.

The Palestinian state that was sought to be recognized by the UN would not allow the return of the exiled Palestinians to it because Palestinian leadership want Israeli land for those purposes.

Palestinians reject the idea of a Jewish state of Israel. Israel accepts the concept of a Palestine. This is not opinon, but fact.

 

[seekerz]

Actually, not the same. It’s more like…I don’t watch or closely follow baseball, but I heard that World Series game 6 was great and St Louis won. If you want more details than that, look them up yourself.

I have, which is how I measured the degree to which your logic on the topic is flawed and not reflective of both sides of the issue.

 

[rlg94086]

I have, which is how I measured the degree to which your logic on the topic is flawed and not reflective of both sides of the issue.

My logic? Please point out a flaw in my logic. Make sure you quote the statement I made that leads you to make that conclusion.

 

[seekerz]

Oslo Accords, which Arafat signed on to in English, ended up in the Intifada, which Arafate declared in Arabic.
Unilateral withdrawal of Jews from Gaza ended up in a rocket barrage.

The Palestinian state that was sought to be recognized by the UN would not allow the return of the exiled Palestinians to it because Palestinian leadership want Israeli land for those purposes.

Palestinians reject the idea of a Jewish state of Israel. Israel accepts the concept of a Palestine. This is not opinon, but fact.

I accept the concept of ice-cream during a heat wave; only you must eat it in warmed metal cups that have been left on the bonnet of a car on which one could fry the proverbial egg.

The Palestinians are simply more direct than Israel is on the issue of statehood for the opposing side.

 

[rlg94086]

So…just to be clear, you believe it makes sense for us to spend $6B+ per year (~25% of their budget) to fund an organization to work against our own efforts? :ehh:

The Israeli government is opposed to a two-state solution?

That’s what I thought. To claim that the Israeli government is opposed to a Palestinian state is disenginuous.

This has happened more than once. I don’t remember the particulars in this case, but it usually has to do with the terms…like Israel still existing…

I’m sorry. If you want particulars, look it up yourself. I didn’t bring it up. All I did is agree with someone else’s post based on my recollection. I don’t think there is any rule, written or unwritten, that says I need to supply details every time I agree with another poster.

Actually, not the same. It’s more like…I don’t watch or closely follow baseball, but I heard that World Series game 6 was great and St Louis won. If you want more details than that, look them up yourself.

I have, which is how I measured the degree to which your logic on the topic is flawed and not reflective of both sides of the issue.

Here you go…these are all the posts I made in this thread. Please point out the “flaw” in my “logic on the topic.”

 

[seekerz]

My logic? Please point out a flaw in my logic. Make sure you quote the statement I made that leads you to make that conclusion.

I already have and you ignored the points I listed (namely: West Bank settlement, right of return and militarization being some of the main obstacles to agreement regarding a Palestinian state). No, it’s just not as simple as Israel offering a state and the Palestinians rejecting it. First, each side must define the concept of statehood that is acceptable to them.

For your reference:

This has happened more than once. I don’t remember the particulars in this case, but it usually has to do with the terms…like Israel still existing…

 

[rlg94086]

I already have and you ignored the points I listed (namely: West Bank settlement, right of return and militarization being some of the main obstacles to agreement regarding a Palestinian state). No, it’s just not as simple as Israel offering a state and the Palestinians rejecting it. First, each side must define the concept of statehood that is acceptable to them.

For your reference:

Nope. You haven’t pointed out a single flaw in my logic. All I’ve stated is that the Israeli government is not opposed to a Palestinian state and agreed that the Palestinians have rejected such offers in the past. You seem to think that in order for that to be true that Israel must agree with the Palestinians 100%. That is flawed logic on your part.