Panetta to lift ban on women in combat

[gam197]

originally posted** by Wolseley**
]Here’s a picture from a police-goods catalog that sort of shows what I mean. There she is, all 90 pounds of her, looking determined and serious as she “helps” to restrain the suspect…but look at the guy with her. He’s got the grip on the suspect and he’s the one hauling out the cuffs, and he’s big enough to handle the guy pretty much all on his own.

There was a case a few years back when the female officer by herself brought in a prisoner to the court and the prisoner overpowered her and shot the judge.----- It made headlines and talk radio covered it-can’t remember the state.

 

[gam197]

The case I believe was Brian Nichols in Atlanta. I know there was a lot of press on it.

 

[october_baby]

We’ve been assured by the press that standards for combat arms females WILL NOT be
lowered. As a veteran, of the US Army, the PT standards were lower for females than
males. So I see the combat arms arms standards being lowered once the public has forgotton
the issue.

 

[LisaA]

We’ve been assured by the press that standards for combat arms females WILL NOT be
lowered. As a veteran, of the US Army, the PT standards were lower for females than
males. So I see the combat arms arms standards being lowered once the public has forgotton
the issue.

Exactly…you know the old “ends justify the means” which has resulted in affirmative action placing minority students in situations where they are doomed to fail. But the college can crow “We have X% black students! Y% hispanic students!” Of course you never hear about the graduation rates.

The military, having promoted that everyone should be “given a chance to enter combat” will have a vested interest in proving that this wasn’t as stupid as it sounds. I see the standards slowly eaten away so the milatry can have 'bragging rights" where they trot out some poster child female Dakota Meyer wannabe.

I’m starting to believe this kerfluffle is so we’ll avert our eyes from the Benghazi hearings, the debt and deficit and the powder keg developing in Africa. We’ve used up the serious questions about Beyonce’ lip synching the National Anthem so another silly issue needs to intrude before we start thinking about our future.

Lisa

 

[oldcatholicguy]

We’ve been assured by the press that standards for combat arms females WILL NOT be
lowered. As a veteran, of the US Army, the PT standards were lower for females than
males. So I see the combat arms arms standards being lowered once the public has forgotton
the issue.

They have to lower the standards. Otherwise there won’t be enough women qualifying for combat arms MOSs and SF to justify their actions. Instead of lowering the current standards (which would be too obvious) they’ll just change them for standards in which women can use the same criteria men can (either only score events that men and women can physically score the same on, like situps, or incorporate a grading scale based on what females can do, men will magically start scoring over 100 in these events).

 

[TheWarriorMonk]

I’m torn on the issue, but in general, I don’t think it is a good idea to put woman in combat positions. The simple reason is that in general, men are larger and stronger than woman; that is the natural order of things.

Being a martial artist, I train with woman, and actually get to spar with them. On average, I’m about 9 inches and 70+ pounds larger than the average woman I spar with. That is a huge size difference on average, and it is incredibly difficult to overcome. Even if the woman has excellent skills, the size difference is such that I could turn it into a brawl and the match is immediately over. Now just imagine such a person going against, say, my ex-Marine instructor, who has an additional few inches in height and extra 40 pounds.

It’s important to remember that we’re dealing with the military. The military deals with matters involving overseas matters. Other countries do not care about political correctness and see woman in the military as a sign of weakness. It effectively encourages the enemy.

That said, I don’t think woman should be entirely included. In fact, one of the best places for woman in combat may be special forces. That’s because only the cream of the crop can participate. A woman might be able to play an essential role in various situations, and if she fits the part both mentally and physically, go for it.

 

[JustaServant]

Someday, when future archeologists dig this civilization up, I can only imagine how they are going to try to figure out the mindset of this generation.
Women can murder their unborn children in thier womb, currently to 55,000…
AND they can now murder brown people who live in mud huts overseas…
Seems to me a fella named Paul said something about a people God gives up…they lose NATURAL AFFECTION.
Have we? You figure it out.
Congrads feminists, you have reached Nirvana.

 

[Sarcelle]

I’m well aware of the rape of Nanking and the comfort women (most of whom were Korean).

But those were civilian women, not enemy combatants. The civilian American, Australian, and European women rounded up by the Japanese after China and the Philippines fell were placed in confinement camps, and not abused as the Chinese (and other Asian and Pacific) women were. It wasn’t a posh resort by any means, but they were pretty much unmolested.

Had there been female combatants fighting against them, I’m not sure what the outcome might have been; but considering the contempt for surrender which the Samurai code of Bushido called for, if there had been female combat personnel, they may have been treated just as badly as the men.

I was giving you a hint of how the Japanese would treat the female combatants.They would have been treated the same way Asian and Pacific female civilians were treated.

 

[Catherine_S]

Why are you blaming “feminism”?

This has to do with who is able-bodied, strong, and can help defend our country.

And there are many women out there who are stronger, quicker, braver, smarter, and more honorable than a lot of men. These might be the women who save the country and your life or the life of your children or other loved ones one day.

*There certainly are a lot of women out there as you say! *
China certainly is one of them. *
They appear very feminine on the outside, but they are trained
to be killers on the inside! *
*I am wondering if this type of training can distroy the ****nurturing, ***
*maternal instinct that is so much a part of the feminine. *
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vA4T1wfJLE
.

 

[Presurmksdimnds]

I thought that women were not to fight on the front lines because it did something pshycologically to a man to see a woman be killed/suffer/maimed (Jessica Lynch?), making him a liability to his own safety and his fellow troops.

Is that untrue or has this changed?

 

[Orogeny]

I just heard a letter written by a Marine who was deployed during Iraq. He spoke of not only the physical hardship but graphic details about some of the hygiene and health issues when in combat (I noted this earlier but none of the GI Jane supporters responded…hmmmm) He mentioned how dysentery had gone through their unit and because of the heavy gear and protective clothing they had to defecate into empty MRE containers within a few feet of their fellow Marines. Further when arriving back at base they were immediately stripped, their clothing taken by a HazMat type team and burned as they stood there naked being hosed off with a pressure washer. What a great experience for our female troops…total bonding over a feces filled fire.

Will sanity ever prevail? This administration lives in an alternative universe.

Lisa

Here is a link to that letter (it was actually an opinion piece in the WSJ.

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323539804578260132111473150.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Hopefully, that link will work. WSJ is not a free site.

Peace

Tim

 

[LisaA]

Here is a link to that letter (it was actually an opinion piece in the WSJ.

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323539804578260132111473150.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Hopefully, that link will work. WSJ is not a free site.

Peace

Tim

Thank you I did not know the source. It absolutely confirmed what I heard directly from my “adopted” troops during the Iraq War. This type of situation was not rare, particularly in the early days and MOST particularly for those units in combat.

Again, to me the issue is WHY are they doing this? The only reason is selfish demands of ambitious females who care more about their potential career path than the actual objective of the mission. Here is the takeaway paragraph:

Yes, a woman is as capable as a man of pulling a trigger. But the goal of our nation’s military is to fight and win wars. Before taking the drastic step of allowing women to serve in combat units, has the government considered whether introducing women into the above-described situation would have made my unit more or less combat effective?

The Left simply does not understand that there are more important things than perceived “equality” or selfish demands of some interest group. The military is there to protect us from our enemies, not to give GI Jane the chance at a corner office.

Lisa

 

[tomarin]

Again, to me the issue is WHY are they doing this?

I have no idea. The cult of equality, I guess. The world has really gone mad.

 

[LisaA]

I have no idea. The cult of equality, I guess. The world has really gone mad.

And the lunatics are running the asylum! God help us.

Lisa

 

[stevegravy]

On a thread that has been closed there was speculation on why China may precipitate a war. I posit the ratio of eligible females to males in China has been skewed by their one child policy that the young males may get well anxious and then trouble would start. Just saying to a lonely Chinese lad those Japanese women might start looking real good.(Remember the Roman rape of the Sabine women?)

In the event of a war with China what do you think would happen when the PLA lonely hearts club meet Amerikan Amazons?

 

[Catherine_S]

I thought that women were not to fight on the front lines because it did something pshycologically to a man to see a woman be killed/suffer/maimed (Jessica Lynch?), making him a liability to his own safety and his fellow troops.

Is that untrue or has this changed?

Thank God for those men who can hold onto their feelings of protectiveness towards women while in the military because these same feelings could put them at risk indeed! *
Women can be trained*** to be killers too. Thinking of others* as the** enemy** or the **target **is kind of a form of *disassociation, not totally unlike the criminal or rapists etc. You stop seeing others as humans or persons and view them in a detached way as the enemy, the target, the kill. Military men or women are aware of this but some men and women are not as strong mentally or as well grounded and they lose their own humanity or become ill trying to separate themselves that way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6A_eaP_k14

 

[Catherine_S]

In the event of a war with China what do you think would happen when the PLA lonely hearts club meet Amerikan Amazons?

The Irish had a saying " the bigger they are the harder they fall" !!
Size really does not have much to do with it! In the end it is skill!
**

 

[Catherine_S]

In the event of a war with China what do you think would happen when the PLA lonely hearts club meet Amerikan Amazons?

The Irish had a saying " the bigger they are the harder they fall" !!
Size really does not have much to do with it! In the end it is skill!

 

[tabycat]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Corbin

During the American Revolution one woman took up the defense of a fort after her husband’s death.

There were severel women that replaced their husbands after the husbands were killed in battle. Also, there was Debra Samson who was in the Army and wounded three times before she was found out as a woman.

 

[SamH]

There were severel women that replaced their husbands after the husbands were killed in battle. Also, there was Debra Samson who was in the Army and wounded three times before she was found out as a woman.

Is that a for or against post?