Parents’ ‘Sex Ed Sit Out’ Protesting Forced Gender Ideology in Schools Spreads Across Country

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Ahh, what about the many such things that are still in place? They’re all around the world still after all.
 
But are we understanding better or is it just people jumping on a bandwagon because it gives them an identity and a narrative?

In younger cohorts I believe it’s mostly girls and in older it seems to be mostly men, why is that?
 
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But are we understanding better or is it just people jumping on a bandwagon because it gives them an identity and a narrative?

In younger cohorts I believe it’s mostly girls and in older it seems to be mostly men, why is that?
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I’d say because in men it is far, far harder and more dangerous to come out so it takes them longer. But that’s just one reading of the situation.
 
But you would still expect similar numbers with the youngsters. Also if it is a case of being say female trapped in a male body, why are so many of these older transwomen a) attracted to women and b) keen to keep their male an anatomy?
 
In response to your first question, it is because gender identity and sexual attraction or orientation are two different things. Therefore you might be transgender and heterosexual or transgender and homosexual. Complicated, isn’t it? As to your second question, I doubt that is true. Sex reassignment surgery is a big step, but I don’t believe most transgender people want to retain the genitalia of the sex with which they do not identify.
 
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There are several countries which do not operate on a binary gender model, as you demonstrate. Three genders, even five genders, have existed throughout the world for centuries. There is even reference to the existence of transgender people in ancient Jewish writing.
 
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But given that the majority of women (90-95% I think) are androphilic if transwomen really are the same as women you would surely expect a similar number to be androphilic and that doesn’t seem to be the case.

I also read somewhere that around 80% of transwomen have male bodies and most aren’t planning surgery. Some even talk very openly about their male anatomy which makes it even harder to take them seriously as women.
 
It begins to feel like there’s no right thing for them to do? If they pursue surgery they’re mutilating their bodies, if they don’t then they’re not taken seriously.

I know a few transwomen who have decided against surgery, many for multiple reasons including;
  • We just don’t have many surgeons in Aus that do vaginioplasty so it’s a huge waiting list
  • The cost is prohibitive
  • They’re afraid of surgery (all surgery carries risk after all)
  • The current technology isn’t quite right and they want to wait for it to improve
 
It just sometimes feels there is something else going on especially with these very vocal white older adult transwomen. Many seem to have nothing but contempt for real women and some of the abusive comments they give to “TERFs” would have me banned if I repeated them.
 
Many older transwomen have suffered a lot of trauma and it shows. They’re women who have been rejected by family, friends, jobs and more. They’re on edge and defensive. And when confronted by TERFs tat defensive attitude peaks.
 
I don’t always get that vibe. The vibe I see is that of privileged white men who are used to advocating what they want. A lot of them seem to wait until they have established themselves as men with families, good jobs etc before deciding to come out as transwomen which seems a bit convenient.
 
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I don’t always get that vibe. The vibe I see is that of privileged white men who are used to advocating what they want. A lot of them seem to wait until they have established themselves as men with families, good jobs etc before deciding to come out as transwomen which seems a bit convenient.
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I don’t think anyone can judge the life of another. Those folks stand to lose so much, many tell that it was only in recent years they felt at all safe to come out. And given how little acceptance there was in times past that doesn’t seem surprising.
 
But it doesn’t justify the absolutely vile behavior from these trans activists. Why should women accept people that behave like boorish, abusive men into their spaces? Why aren’t there the same numbers of trans men being abusive to real men?

It’s a real strange phenomenon to be sure.
 
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But it doesn’t justify the absolutely vile behavior from these trans activists. Why should women accept people that behave like boorish, abusive men into their spaces? Why aren’t there the same numbers of trans men being abusive to real men?

It’s a real strange phenomenon to be sure.
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I feel like someone once said something about how he who is without soon sound cast the first stone? Should we also not allow boorish ciswomen into women’s spaces? Who decides who is polite enough?

I’ve never once been abused by a transwoman. It may be because I don’t call them men. I fully suspect transmen would get angry at men who misgendered them, in fact there are some videos on YouTube of transmen reacting to transphobic comments.
 
But people simply can’t bully other people into taking a worldview. Many people see sex and gender as biology based, many wish to keep certain single sex spaces. We aren’t misgendering, we are seeing what is in front of us.
 
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But people simply can’t bully other people into taking a worldview. Many people see sex and gender as biology based, many wish to keep certain single sex spaces. We aren’t misgendering, we are seeing what is in front of us.
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And from their perspective they could easily say to you; But people simply can’t bully other people into taking a worldview. Many people see gender as different to sex, many people wish to include trans people. You are disrespecting the very simple wishes of another to no gain except to cause harm to someone.

Both sides feel strongly but all too often transwomen approach feminism with fear only to have their identity blatantly disrespected by TERFs. I’d likely lash out in that situation too.

I’d suggest having a talk with a transwoman and treating her like you would a ciswoman, I suspect you’d experience less animosity.
 
Why should it be on the majority of women to move aside and make way for a minority of transwomen? Why dont we challenge men to accept that some men prefer a more feminine presentation? Personally I couldn’t see a transwoman any differently than any other man. Being a woman isn’t a fashion statement.

I think women need a meaningful identity that doesn’t include male biology and male socialization. Personally I don’t care how people dress or style themselves but I do care about being able to have a language to talk about my experience as a girl and a woman.
 
I think women need a meaningful identity that’s a little more than simply possessing a vagina.

And we do challenge men to accept more feminine men. But transwomen aren’t men, so it doesn’t really work.
 
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