Parents’ ‘Sex Ed Sit Out’ Protesting Forced Gender Ideology in Schools Spreads Across Country

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Some parents have also been frightened by high-publicity suicide cases and the attendant negative attention…
 
More than just a reluctance–conversation is effectively shut down, and it’s very hard to get any research going beyond collecting personal testimonies
 
Obviously it’s not only the vagina but the experience of being female. A person who dresses in blackface can’t suddenly claim they know what it’s like to be black in a society.

I don’t object to transwomen having a narrative or an identity but the idea that it’s the same as being a woman is ridiculous.
 
From my limited reading it seems there are many pathways and expressions of being trans.
 
It used to be that transsexual (the modern word is transgender), referred to a person who from a very early age (like 2 or 3) would think, speak and behave that they were the opposite sex. They didn’t grow out of it.
Of course, there was no way to predict which kids were going through a phase or which kids would be persistently like this.
There are kids like this. Nobody knows what causes it. There are some theories, but no real answer.
Then you have the kids who start feeling like they were born in the wrong body around the time of puberty or later. It’s a different phenomenon, usually triggered by some event.
It can be very hard to get to the bottom of all this, and a lot of psychologists don’t even try. Also, it’s been very politicized, so if you even try to question a kid or figure out what’s really going on with them, you are a sitting duck for accusations of hate and homophobia.

Another factor going on is that kids see a lot of propaganda on the internet that encourages same sex experimentation and genderbending. A kid who feels uncomfortable in their life or their body can go online, read a bunch of testimonies from other mixed up kids, diagnose themselves and convince themselves that they “always” felt this way, even if the memories of everybody around them tell a completely different story.
 
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Obviously it’s not only the vagina but the experience of being female. A person who dresses in blackface can’t suddenly claim they know what it’s like to be black in a society.

I don’t object to transwomen having a narrative or an identity but the idea that it’s the same as being a woman is ridiculous.
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I see transwomen with far more claim to womanhood than I have frankly.
 
I dunno. I think transwomen have put in far more effort to experiencing womanhood than I ever have, and many understand it better than I do.
 
I wonder how many of the mentally unwell teens I grew up with might have turned to this as an outlet.

I also can’t help but think for some of the older men who transition late, keep their male anatomy and are attracted to women are motivated by an autogynephilic fetish.
 
It’s still not the same, I try to understand what it’s like to be male for the sake of the men I care about and in case I have sons or nephews. I also try to learn about what its like to be poor, disabled and even gender dysphoric because I don’t want to be a hard hearted person.

The thing is it can’t ever compare to living an experience day in, day out and having no choice but to live it.
 
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It’s still not the same, I try to understand what it’s like to be male for the sake of the men I care about and in case I have sons or nephews. I also try to learn about what its like to be poor, disabled and even gender dysphoric because I don’t want to be a hard hearted person.

The thing is it can’t ever compare to living an experience day in, day out and having no choice but to live it.
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I have as much choice in the matter as a transwoman does though. I could always transition the other way after all.
 
I knew a teenager who had grown up in a severely dysfunctional environment, then had a couple of emotional traumas . He was clearly an at risk kid for something.
So he’s wandering around the internet and comes across some TG stuff and decides “that’s me”.
Nemmind that he had never shown any signs or symptoms of gender dysphoria as a child.
It all turned into a big mess, the therapists weren’t interested in hearing the testimonies of the family and relatives who actually knew him. He went around claiming he “always felt” female (even though he hadn’t ever shown the merest hint of something amiss) and he was given antiandrogens in very short order.
I wonder if it would have been better for him to have acted out with drugs or shoplifting or something because then he would have had access to actual help and therapy, rather than HCPs who were trying to be PC.
 
Could you? I know most men would laugh at me if I claimed to be just as much of a man as them.
 
I’d say so. I’m 5’10’’ (which in Aus is about average for a man) and if I went on hormones I imagine I’d end up passing quite well, most transmen do. I’d simply feel terribly uncomfortable in the body I ended up with, much as a transwoman who pretended to be a man would.
 
I’m no mental health expert but it almost seems like rather than HCPs and services being able to fit around the needs of a person suffering psychological distress the person is more likely to fit their distress into something that can be more easily recognised and “dealt with”.
 
I think this is where life isn’t fair, some people will have a more androgynous appearance. I would still argue thar socialisation as a man or woman would always affect even a passing person.
 
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I think this is where life isn’t fair, some people will have a more androgynous appearance. I would still argue thar socialisation as a man or woman would always affect even a passing person.
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This is where society isn’t fair; we have control over how we treat people. We don’t have to judge folks based on appearance, that’s purely a thing we choose to do.

And socialisation will play a role; it’s why trans people go to an effort to psychologically work through this.

And of course everyone’s socialisation was different. I know from a young age I was a complete tomboy, and my parents were fine with me preferring ninja turtles over barbie, and because of my height and associated additional strength as a small child I was treated a bit more like a boy than a petite girl would have been. Everyone interacts with the world differently.
 
The sexes are different and always will be. Many women will have learned a certain wariness of men and to come across a man in a place where one wouldn’t be expected can be very scary for some. It’s not always as simple as a choice.

We should try to treat people fairly but that doesn’t always mean treating them the same. I would never want a transperson to be discriminated unnecessarily but some separation of the sexes is needed.
 
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The sexes are different and always will be. Many women will have learned a certain wariness of men and to come across a man in a place where one wouldn’t be expected can be very scary for some. It’s not always as simple as a choice.

We should try to treat people fairly but that doesn’t always mean treating them the same. I would never want a transperson to be discriminated unnecessarily but some separation of the sexes is needed.
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How do you feel about the fact that you likely wouldn’t be able to tell if certain transwomen were in the bathroom?

Or how do you feel about forcing transmen into the ladies bathroom for that matter? What about Aydian Dowling for instance; Aydian Dowling Is Officially the First Trans Man to Cover Gay Times Magazine

Would he seem at home in the ladies?
 
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It does make me a little anxious that people who are anatomically male feel entitled to women only spaces. I think such people should know better.

As for a trans man, I would consider them like a woman with an endocrine disorder, I couldn’t comment about how men would feel.
 
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