Parents’ ‘Sex Ed Sit Out’ Protesting Forced Gender Ideology in Schools Spreads Across Country

[Alex337]

Again, pedantism - especially when you know darn well what is meant.

And since I would say that no disease state is assumed. Because being trans doesn’t mean you’re not karyotypically normal.

Yes, there are MANY, but this is not genetics class.

I’m afraid I didn’t. I honestly didn’t. You said there were only a limited amount of options and I thought there were more; I’m not medically trained and so I wondered if I had misunderstood what I had read about the topic. I was trying to fact check with you; it is that simple. There was no malice to it.

 

[Pup7]

There are actually a limited number of options for healthy individuals. A basic biology course teaches that. At the high school level (around the tenth year of grade school education).

 

[ConfusedLucy]

As a woman I don’t feel as threatened by trans men. It’s not my place to speak for men but I would assume there is more to being a man than beard grooming and flexing your muscles but that’s for men to comment on.

 

[Alex337]

Biology is about as hazy as a brick. How in heavens name do you think the human race has managed to continue for millennia? We are sexually dimorphic.

Actually it’s under debate as to whether humans actually have enough difference to class as dimorphic, if we do it is certainly a very low end dimorphism (Sexual Dimorphism). Think about the differences between humans of the different sexes and, say certain types of spider where the female is three times the size.

In terms of sex being hazy, I still believe it can be. I know one woman who after she had trouble conceiving found out she actually had teste cells; she’d grown up her whole life with no cause to believe she was out of the usual but all along had an intersex condition. And we’re starting to find that these instances are not as rare as we once thought, particularly when you look at chimerical intersex conditions.

Gender is a completely different thing, and almost entirely cultural. I do not ’ feel’ like a woman. I have no internal sense of femaleness. I have had short hair, long hair, no hair. I have worn dresses, trousers, sports gear and a kitchen apron. I have liked football and sewing and childcare.
My sex is female. Gender is largely an oppressive box of nonsense squashing people into expectations and I reject it.

I may have worded it poorly, feeling like your gender doesn’t need to take into account your mode of attire. It’s more in reference to feelings of social and body dysphoria.

 

[JoyToTheWhirled]

Trans men are females, usually with female socialization for a long time too. The reason women are at a disadvantage has its basis in biology that makes them vulnerable from male violence and entitlement.
A man identifying as a woman doesn’t magically disappear from male rates of violence. In fact, by making demands to encroach on women’s prisons, sports and refuges, he really rather proves his self serving motivations.
In fact, I hate using the bathroom example, but it’s quite remarkable that women want female bathrooms so they can be safe from men. Trans women want to use those bathrooms because they want to be safe from men. Why is it women’s responsibility to accommodate gender non-conforming men and no one says “Hold on, the problem here is…men!”?

 

[Pup7]

I don’t feel threatened by either trans men or women myself.

 

[Alex337]

Alex337:

Pup7:

Alex337:

The socialisation argument is one that’s a wee bit outdated. The problem is; every single person has a different experience growing up.

I can’t help it. This is outrageous.

It’s outdated to say that a man doesn’t know what it’s like to be female?

What are you on about?

Now friend, I see no reason to get snarky. It brings a conversation down.

You are yet to tell me what experience in a girl’s childhood is uniquely indicative of womanhood. If it’s a biological function there are women who don’t experience it, if it’s a societal thing that will vary greatly between places and times. And I don’t think any of them have greatly impacted me to a point where I couldn’t shrug them off.

That wasn’t snarky in the least. I literally laughed when I read what you wrote.

THE STATE OF BEING A FEMALE SHAPES HOW YOU ARE TREATED.

I’m not saying it’s a pejorative or negative. It’s a sociological fact, whether you care to admit it or not, study it or not, understand it or not, accept it or not. Doesn’t matter what culture you grow up in.

A man will NEVER know what it is like to be female. You don’t need long treatises on cultural constructs to get that - at least, most people don’t.

Do you have any idea what it’s like to be a male from birth? Walk through life as a man? Be male from day one?

I’m afraid we will have to agree to disagree with how snarky that came across.

You don’t really seem able to answer the question. “The state of being female” isn’t really an answer. It’s like if I asked “What is unique about growing up American?” and you kept answering “YOU’RE AMERICAN!” I’m afraid that all caps doesn’t make it any clearer.

 

[Alex337]

There are actually a limited number of options for healthy individuals. A basic biology course teaches that. At the high school level (around the tenth year of grade school education).

I don’t believe I mentioned whether it would be healthy or not? I’m sorry if I miscommunicated that?

 

[Pup7]

In terms of sex being hazy, I still believe it can be. I know one woman who after she had trouble conceiving found out she actually had teste cells; she’d grown up her whole life with no cause to believe she was out of the usual but all along had an intersex condition.

That does not make her not female.

Karyotype determines biological sex. Just because she had testis material doesn’t mean she wasn’t a karyotypic female. It means she has testicular material producing excess testosterone.

She is still female.

Men who are XXY with Kleinfelter’s often develop breasts due to the extra X chromosome. They are phenotypically male, though, and have only testes. They’re considered male because of that Y chromosome in the last “pair”.The breasts don’t make them female.

 

[Alex337]

Trans men are females, usually with female socialization for a long time too. The reason women are at a disadvantage has its basis in biology that makes them vulnerable from male violence and entitlement.
A man identifying as a woman doesn’t magically disappear from male rates of violence. In fact, by making demands to encroach on women’s prisons, sports and refuges, he really rather proves his self serving motivations.
In fact, I hate using the bathroom example, but it’s quite remarkable that women want female bathrooms so they can be safe from men. Trans women want to use those bathrooms because they want to be safe from men. Why is it women’s responsibility to accommodate gender non-conforming men and no one says “Hold on, the problem here is…men!”?

Actually a transwoman is often legally seen as a woman. And are far, far more likely to be the victim of violence than the perpetrator.

 

[Pup7]

Actually a transwoman is often legally seen as a woman.

Once that change is legally made by a court system, yes indeed.

 

[Alex337]

Alex337:

In terms of sex being hazy, I still believe it can be. I know one woman who after she had trouble conceiving found out she actually had teste cells; she’d grown up her whole life with no cause to believe she was out of the usual but all along had an intersex condition.

That does not make her not female.

Karyotype determines biological sex. Just because she had testis material doesn’t mean she wasn’t a karyotypic female. It means she has testicular material producing excess testosterone.

She is still female.

Men who are XXY with Kleinfelter’s often develop breasts due to the extra X chromosome. They are phenotypically male, though, and have only testes. They’re considered male because of that Y chromosome in the last “pair”.The breasts don’t make them female.

Interesting. Now she hasn’t had her chromosomes tested but if it did turn out she had XY; what would she be?

 

[Pup7]

You don’t really seem able to answer the question. “The state of being female” isn’t really an answer. It’s like if I asked “What is unique about growing up American?” and you kept answering “YOU’RE AMERICAN!” I’m afraid that all caps doesn’t make it any clearer.

It is totally an answer - it’s more that you don’t really want it to be one.

Yes, being American is what’s unique - although I don’t really remember answering that way to that very question. What is unique will be defined by where in this massive country one grows up, and will vary by description. But someone raised in another country cannot know what it is like to grow up here.

I grew up as a military kid. I don’t know any other way of life and I can’t purport to - just as a “civilian kid” can’t know what I dealt with when I was growing up. But 25 military kids will give you 25 different experiences.

I have absolutely no idea why this is so difficult to understand.

 

[Alex337]

Alex337:

You don’t really seem able to answer the question. “The state of being female” isn’t really an answer. It’s like if I asked “What is unique about growing up American?” and you kept answering “YOU’RE AMERICAN!” I’m afraid that all caps doesn’t make it any clearer.

It is totally an answer - it’s more that you don’t really want it to be one.

Yes, being American is what’s unique - although I don’t really remember answering that way to that very question. What is unique will be defined by where in this massive country one grows up, and will vary by description. But someone raised in another country cannot know what it is like to grow up here.

I have absolutely no idea why this is so difficult to understand.

Sorry, but you’re just not explaining it? I honest to goodness don’t know what you mean by your answer. There must be infinite ways for a person to grow up as a girl.

 

[Pup7]

I am explaining it. Again.

If someone grows up as a man, they cannot know what it is like to grow up as a woman. Because they weren’t.

If someone grows up as a woman, they cannot know what it is like to grow up as a man. Because they weren’t.

It’s 0400. Past my bedtime. I fell into the laptop trap looking up movie times.

There must be infinite ways for a person to grow up as a girl.

YES. Yes yes yes!! But you still do it as a female. Do you not see how being your gender affects your social construct, and it would not be the same social construct a male grew up with?

How and where you grew up is irrelevant, actually, for these purposes.

 

[Alex337]

I am explaining it. Again.

If someone grows up as a man, they cannot know what it is like to grow up as a woman. Because they weren’t.

If someone grows up as a woman, they cannot know what it is like to grow up as a man. Because they weren’t.

It’s 0400. Past my bedtime. I fell into the laptop trap looking up movie times.

Sorry, but “because they weren’t” really isn’t an answer. Why can’t they? What about the experience is different?

 

[Benadam]

Indeed there are human archetypes. I think most of us know who they are. There is no confusion about sex because their bodies are unambiguous about it. They should remain our models regardless of ambiguity in our fallen bodies.

I do believe the more gender fluidity is a focus of identity and being, the more it is a subliminal suggestion that becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. It’s most irresponsible, despicable really, to project that distortion on the most suggestible humans among us.

 

[Alex337]

Alex337:

There must be infinite ways for a person to grow up as a girl.

YES. Yes yes yes!! But you still do it as a female. Do you not see how being your gender affects your social construct, and it would not be the same social construct a male grew up with?

How and where you grew up is irrelevant, actually, for these purposes.

Not really? Are you meaning sexism?

 

[ConfusedLucy]

Because women are socialised to be the self sacrificing emotional caretakers.

 

[Pup7]

I can’t anymore. I just can’t.

That is assuredly the reason. The same reason a cat cannot be a dog. Because they’re not.

No earthly idea why this is so difficult - or you’re being deliberately obtuse.

Not really? Are you meaning sexism?

No. Who said that?

Sociology 101. Good night.